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Today's Poll: Should New York allow hydro-fracking for natural gas?

By Howard B. Owens
Elizabeth Downie

Ever watch the movie <b><i>Gasland</b></i>?? If not, it's a good documentary on fracking that everyone, regardless of your thoughts on the matter, should watch.

Jul 8, 2011, 8:18am Permalink
Bob Harker

Gasland is obviously an objective and unbiased view, right?

I wonder what powered that light that he turned on. Or the phone. Or his well pump. Or the computer he used to post this to youtube. Does he get groceries on horseback? His home is undoubtedly heated by propane - a petroleum derivative.

How much more money do we spend on studies? It's been proven safe. All industries have risks, and they have to be minimized - if for nothing more than financial reasons.

Obama and Nixon are great. Bush/Cheney evil, right? At least from this self admitted left over hippie.

Now that I think about it, Obama actually HAS done something for the environment. By virtually eliminating us from the world technology race through gross redistribution of taxpayer's money, at least we won't have to fuel exploration into the greatest frontier known to man - space. Leave scientific advancement to the Russians and Chinese. After all, we still have our front porches and banjos in the woods. Maybe that will give us "Deliverance" from the evils of advances in our place in the world.

How's that Ned Beatty thing working out for you?

Jul 8, 2011, 11:59am Permalink
Jeremiah Pedro

Bob,

who pays for the studies that have determined that hydro-fracking is safe? I'm sure those studies that have determined hydro-fracking to be safe are just as objective and unbiased as the movie Gasland is right? Actions speak louder than words. When the companies engaged in hydro-fracking are paying people to "shut up", to me that speaks volumes.

Jul 8, 2011, 12:55pm Permalink
tom hunt

As the World's supply of Oil is slowly used up the search for other sources of engery is ramping up. Since the US is the Saudi Arabia of natural gas, we would be fools not to exploit this to the fullest.
If it is proven, beyond a doubt, that fracking is messing up these rural wells, let the gas companies lay down several miles of piping and bring safe water for these individuls. For what the gas companies are paying these people for mineral rights, they can buy house, condo, or any type of housing they desire any where in the World!

Jul 8, 2011, 1:56pm Permalink
C. M. Barons

tp- I'm pleased that you used the word, "exploit." The trade-off to foul underground water supplies for the sake of natural gas should require full understanding of the repercussions, including OPEN, HONEST and CLEAR ATTRIBUTION so future generations can curse the selfish louts responsible.

Jul 8, 2011, 2:04pm Permalink
Jamie Lindsley

Well said, C.M. Having a few extra bucks and "several miles of piping" for safe water is not a very good tradeoff for a minimally studied technology with potentially unforeseen consequences. Prove it safe first, then utilize. Haven't we done enough exploiting of this great nation's resources? We should think twice, act once. Not act now and to hell with the consequences.

Jul 8, 2011, 4:06pm Permalink
Bob Harker

But friends! Your beloved democrats in the NYS legislature and Cuomo have declared it safe.

They would never lie, right?

Any realistic, cost effective, safer alternatives are welcomed...... Especially by your kids and grandkids.

Jul 8, 2011, 6:14pm Permalink
RICHARD L. HALE

I've had a sense lately, that if you look up the word "afraid" in the dictionary, you'll see a picture of millions of Americans huddled together, shivering.

We're afraid of coal

We're afraid of Nuclear Power

We're afraid of Wind Turbines

We're afraid of Solar Energy

Now its fracking for natural gas

God forbid that big oil valve somewhere in the world, is ever taken over by one of the worlds beloved terrorist groups. I think even if they only turned it off "half" way off, we would be in serious trouble.

We aren't thinking beyond the end of our noses. We have a tendency to take "experts" for granted. We never take anything with a grain of salt it seems.

We had better stop fooling ourselves, or the only thing we can try to teach our children and grand children, is what its going to be like, to freeze to death, in the dark.

Jul 9, 2011, 12:55am Permalink
C. M. Barons

Richard, if you think that fossil fuels are the sole source of home-heating, I invite you to tour my geothermal system at your convenience.

Jul 9, 2011, 1:25am Permalink
Jeremiah Pedro

There are other proven fuel sources out there that the Govt. is afraid to go after because it would involve allowing American farmers to grow industrial hemp. That would cut into king corns kingdom.

Anyone that would care to educate themselves on industrial hemp just follow the link.

http://votehemp.com/

Jul 9, 2011, 1:31am Permalink
doug smith

give up your vehicle .....your computers.....your ac furnace riding lawn mower tv cable heck give up your electric power to your house......then you can vote no to natual gas ....nuke power and windmills.....get real people we need energy......

Jul 9, 2011, 11:33pm Permalink
C. M. Barons

I'm not sure that everyone who visits this site is old enough to remember "Love Canal," http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Canal but it remains a bellwether for regional groundwater and soil contamination. Love Canal was associated with buried toxic waste as opposed to injection of chemicals into the ground to displace methane. A chemical dump operated by the War Dept. during WW II and Hooker Chemical during the 1940s and 50s (under conditions deemed acceptable during its term of operation) became a toxic disaster 30 years later. Chemical leeching (lindane, DDT, multiple solvents, PCBs, dioxin, and heavy metals) contaminated homes in a 30-block zone, rendering them unsafe for occupation. $400 million (1970s dollars) was spent on relocation, demolition, excavation and remediation over a course of 21 years.

Here is a list of some of the chemicals that are used during the fracking process:

2,2-Dibromo-3-Nitrilopropionamide
-antimicrobial, corrosive
2-methyl-4-isothiazolin-3-one
-biocide, corrosive
5-chloro-2-methyl-4-isothiazolin-3-one
-biocide, corrosive
Acetic Acid
-corrosive, toxic to kidneys, mucous membranes, skin, teeth. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce organ damage
Acetic Anhydride
-Poison. Flammable. Corrosive. Causes severe burns. Harmful if swallowed or inhaled.
Acetylene
-flammable gas, explosive
Alcohol Ethoxylated
-non-hazardous
Alkyl benzene sulfonic acid
-corrosive
Ammonia (aqueous)
-corrosive, irritant
Ammonium Bifluoride
-extremely hazardous corrosive
Ammonium Persulfate
-irritant
Ammonium Bisulfite
-hazardous irritant
Ammonium chloride
-irritant
Ammonium Salt (alkylpolyether sulfate)
-detergent
Amorphous silica
-dust is an irritant
Benzoic Acid
-toxic to lungs, the nervous system, mucous membranes. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce organ damage
Boric Acid
-toxic to kidneys, cardiovascular system, central nervous system. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage
Boric Oxide
-Harmful if inhaled or absorbed through the skin. Skin or eye contact may cause severe irritation or burns. Readily absorbed through the skin.
Calcium Chloride
-irritant
Calcium Oxide
-Very hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (irritant), of ingestion, of inhalation
carboxymethylhydroxypropyl guar blend
-irritant
Choline Chloride
- Very hazardous in case of ingestion. Toxic to lungs, mucous membranes. Repeated or prolonged
exposure to the substance can produce organs damage.
Cinnamaldehyde
- Very hazardous in case of ingestion. Toxic to mucous membranes. Repeated or prolonged
exposure to the substance can produce organ damage.
Citric Acid
-irritant
Complex polyamine salt
-Flammable, Acute irritant to Respiratory Tract, produces Nervous System Depression, Headaches, Dizziness; over-exposure: Staggering Gait, Confusion, Unconsciousness, Coma.
Crystalline Silica: Cristobalite
-non-hazardous, lung irritant, silicosis risk
Crystalline Silica: Quartz
- non-hazardous, lung irritant, silicosis/lung cancer risk
Cupric chloride dehydrate
-Very hazardous corrosive, Skin contact can produce inflammation and blistering. Inhalation of dust will produce irritation to gastro-intestinal or respiratory tract, characterized by burning, sneezing and coughing. Severe over-exposure can produce lung damage, choking, unconsciousness or death. Inflammation of the eye is characterized by redness, watering, and itching. Skin inflammation is characterized by itching, scaling, reddening, or, occasionally, blistering.
Cured resin
-Irritant, low toxicity
Cyclohexanes
-Flammable, Harmful if inhaled or swallowed. May be harmful if absorbed through the skin. Vapor or mist is irritating to the eyes, mucous membranes, and upper respiratory system. Causes skin irritation. Causes lung irritation, chest pain and edema which may be fatal. Conditions aggravated/target organs: Lungs and nerves are targeted.
Dazomet
-Herbicide, fatal if swallowed, PPE required for handling; prolonged exposure causes kidney and liver damage.
Diethylene Glycol
-Moderately toxic if ingested. Excessive exposure may cause central nervous system effects, cardiopulmonary effects (metabolic acidosis), birth defects and kidney failure.
d-Limonene
-citrus oil, cleaning compound, mild irritant
Enzyme
-unspecified, no reference
EO-C7-9-iso-, C8 rich-alcohols
- toxic, flammable, carcinogenic.
EO-C9-11-iso-, C10-rich alcohols
- toxic, flammable, carcinogenic.
Ethoxylated Alcohol
-Flammable, irritant; contains Ethylene oxide: toxic to aquatic life, carcinogenic
Ethyl Acetate
-Severely flammable, severe irritant, chronic overexposure may cause anemia with leukocytosis (transient increase in the white blood cell count) and damage to the liver and kidneys.
Ethyl Alcohol
- Classified Reproductive system/toxin/female, Reproductive system/toxin/male. The substance is toxic to blood, the reproductive system, liver, upper respiratory tract, skin, central nervous system.
Ethylbenzene
-Severely flammable. Harmful if swallowed or inhaled. Irritant to upper respiratory system and eyes. Skin irritiant. Affects central nervous system. Cancer risk.
Ethylene Glycol
-Harmful or fatal if swallowed. CNS depression, vomiting, headache, rapid respiratory and heart rate, lowered blood pressure, stupor, collapse, and unconsciousness with convulsions. Death from respiratory arrest or cardiovascular collapse may follow. Lethal dose in humans: 100 ml (3-4 ounces).
Formic Acid
-Corrosive, causes severe burns. Harmful by inhalation, ingestion and through skin absorption. Readily absorbed through skin. Very destructive of mucous membranes and upper respiratory tract, eyes and skin. Severe eye irritant. Inhalation may be fatal.
Gluconic Acid
-Corrosive, irritant
Glutaraldehyde
-Biocide, extremely toxic and corrosive, toxic if inhaled or ingested. Toxic to aquatic life. Not to be introduced into groundwater, water courses or sewers.
Glycerol
-Irritant, may cause kidney damage with prolonged exposure.
Glycol Ethers
-Irritant, harmful if swallowed.
Guar Gum
-Low level irritant
Hydrochloric Acid
-Extremely corrosive, highly reactive.
Isopropanol
-Flammable, irritant, toxic if ingested. Respiratory irritant.
Isopropyl Alcohol
-Flammable, irritant, CNS depressant.
Methanol
-Flammable. Harmful if inhaled. May be fatal or cause blindness if swallowed. May cause central nervous system depression. May cause digestive tract irritation with nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Causes respiratory tract irritation. May cause liver, kidney and heart damage.
Methyl Alcohol
- The substance is toxic to eyes. The substance may be toxic to blood, kidneys, liver, brain, peripheral nervous system, upper respiratory tract, skin, central nervous system (CNS), optic nerve. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage. Repeated exposure to a
highly toxic material may produce general deterioration of health by an accumulation in one or many human organs.
Methyl Salicylate
- Very hazardous in case of ingestion. Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (irritant), of inhalation. Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact (permeator). Toxic to blood, lungs, the nervous system, mucous membranes.
n-butanol
-low-toxicity, similar to ethyl alcohol
Nitrilotriacetamide
-Toxic, long-term exposure may cause kidney damage.
Phenolic Resin
-not considered hazardous
Polyethylene Glycol
-slightly toxic to humans
Polyoxylalkylene sulfate
-detergent
Polysaccharide Blend
-non-hazardous
Potassium Carbonate
-Toxic to mucous membranes, may be toxic to skin and eyes. Corrosive.
Potassium Chloride
-Explosion risk, slightly toxic to humans.
Potassium Hydroxide
-Harmful, corrosive, causes serious burns (lye)
Propargyl Alcohol
-Flammable, fatal if swallowed, vapor and liquid cause tissue burns, if ingested permanent damage may result.
Propylene Glycol
-not hazardous, slightly flammable
Silica
-dust irritant, possible silicosis risk
Sodium Bicarbonate
-non hazardous
Sodium Bromide
-irritant
Sodium Hydroxide
-highly corrosive, burns tissue, carcinogen
Sodium Persulphate
-Harmful if swallowed, irritant to eyes, mucous membranes, toxic to aquatic life.
Sodium Xylene Sulfonate
-Eye, skin irritant, harmful if swallowed
Sulfuric Acid
-Highly corrosive, highly reactive, burns tissue
Surfactants
-May irritate eyes and skin, CNS depressant, flammable, combustion releases harmful vapors, contains trace amounts of carcinogens
Talc
-non-hazardous, irritant
Tetrakis(hydroxymethyl)phosphonium sulfate
-Highly Corrosive. Toxic. Toxic if swallowed. Causes burns. Toxic, combustion produces toxic vapor
Tetramethyl ammonium Chloride
-severe contact and inhalation irritant, fatal if swallowed; Causes dizziness, nausea, shortness of breath, severe hypotension, shock. A known ganglionic blocking agent, causing vasodilation, and curare-like actions, peripheral nerve damage, paralysis, dyspnea, cardiac effects, hypotension.
Trimethyloctadecylammonium chloride
- Harmful if ingested or inhaled. Minimize exposure to this material. Severe overexposure can result in injury or death.

Many of these compounds, though admittedly toxic or hazardous, have no data to support long-term health and environmental risk projections. Additionally, dangerous environmental impact is not restricted to the chemicals used for fracking. Underground chemicals released by the fracking process (such as methane and benzene) find their way into the water table.

Jul 10, 2011, 1:46am Permalink
C. M. Barons

As a former, long-time subscriber to the D & C, I am aware of the prevailing editorial sentiments (they ain't 'liberal'). That rag should rename itself the "Greece Republican & Convolution." It certainly doesn't represent the city or (almost said Democrats).

Jul 10, 2011, 9:31pm Permalink

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