I want to know why diesel prices are so out of line. When gasoline cost about $1.10 per gallon, Diesel was $.25 per gallon. Now diesel costs more than gasoline. Diesel engines are 40% to 60% more fuel efficient than gasoline so why aren't more vehicles run on diesel?
<i>"On-highway diesel fuel prices have been higher than regular gasoline prices almost continuously since September 2004, a break from the historical pattern of diesel fuel prices usually being lower than gasoline prices except in cold winters when demand for heating oil pushed diesel fuel prices higher. The main reasons why diesel fuel prices have been higher than gasoline prices in recent years are:
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*High worldwide demand for diesel fuel and other distillate fuel oils, especially in Europe, China, India, and the United States, and a tight global refining capacity available to meet demand during the period of high economic growth from 2002 to mid-2008.
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*The transition to less polluting, lower-sulfur diesel fuels in the United States affected diesel fuel production and distribution costs.
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*The Federal excise tax for on-highway diesel fuel of 24.4 cents/gallon is 6 cents per gallon higher the gasoline tax."</i>
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Source: http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=9&t=5
I always thought diesel was a by product of gasoline and that was why is was cheaper...Can't imagine what it must be like for the interdependent trucker trying to make a living with 4 dollar diesel...
Not only Doug that but then you could run your car on used oil from the deep fryer! Recycling, smells good, saves money. What's not to like? My man Willie Nelson does it. Hemp Oil, biodiesel. It's all there and the diesel engine don't care too much what you put in it. Rudolph Diesel actually designed his engine with the farmer in mind, thinking he could grow his own fuel. Self-sufficiency? We can't have that.
Dave, the hemp industry could be a new/old boost for the economy. Hemp will grow where all other crops fail. So much can be produced from hemp, too. Its seeds are pressed for oil that can be used for food (salad dressings, supplements, etc.), industrial lubrication, diesel fuel, paints, varnishes and more. It is an annual, herbaceous, long fibre plant similar to flax (linen), jute and ramie.
BTW, as a testament to the longevity of, reliability of and economic efficiency of a diesel engine, I drive a 3/4 ton diesel pickup truck 106 miles round trip back and forth to work every day and the engine has 220,000 miles on it. Oil pressure and compression are still like a new engine. I use an additive to prevent biological contamination in the fuel and I use Howe's fuel additive to lubricate the pumps and injectors and to prevent gelling. I haven't had a vehicle payment in years (knock on wood) so all I need to do is change the oil, keep tires on it and keep it topped off with fuel.
I knocked on my wood desk for ya, Doug. If you have a Chevy with the Duramax or a Dodge with the Cummins. Or a Ford with the old Powerstroke (7.3 L) They were all designed for approx. 300 -350,000 miles. It's actually done by gallons of fuel, but on average that's where it works out, if you don't leave it idle a lot. Keeping the fuel clean is critical from about where you are and higher. As is the lubrication of course. Good Luck.
2003 Duramax, Allison transmission. It actually gets great fuel mileage..about 20 MPG and even better if I use the cruise control @ 60 MPH or under. If I stuff my foot in it or run higher speeds, it will GULP the diesel.
I change the fuel filter (Delco or NAPA) on a fall/spring schedule. The engine oil (Rotella) and filter (Delco, NAPA or Purolator) is changed about every 4K miles whether the truck says it needs it or not. Mobil/1 75W-90 synthetic gear oil in the rear pumpkin (2 WD truck).
Huell Howser (RIP), one of my heroes in California, did a great segment on a guy in Ojai who converted a car to run on discarded cooking oil from restaurants.
Way back I think in the early 80's. there was a guy in Batavia who had a wood burner in his trunk I believe to heat a boiler and create steam which propelled the car. I'm betting someone reading this has more info to share about that. If so Please do.
What gas prices come down to is "Corporate Greed!" They claim gas prices are up because, of the additives they put into our gas. Back when we had leaded gas it was because, they added it to it. Yet Regular Leaded gas was cheaper than Unleaded. We have technologies out there to get better mileage out of gas, non-gas energies such as hydro-electric, solar, etc.... but, as long as Oil Companies buy up patents and car companies side with big oil companies, things will never change. Big Oil claims that cost are high because, of repairs to oil refineries caused by weather, aging equipment, to relieve the burden of taxes on their refineries and every other BS story they can conjure up. How is it they are able to set record high profits up if, things are so bad. I watched a documentary on the earth's oil supply on I believe it was Discovery or National Geographic. Some scientist claim that the earth reproduces oil and even when I oil well drys up it will eventually fluid with oil. They claim it is not a fast process but, I wonder what truth lies in that? After all we see oil rigs left behind when a well is not producing anymore. There is alot of scrap metal that can be recycle to help build another well. The government does not seem concern in relieving the oil issues. When I was in the middle east such as Saudi, Kuwait, Iraq, Bahrain, gas was cheap. In 2010 while station at Kirkuk, Iraq, gas costed approximately 46 cents for three liters. Our refineries seem to always break down and/or shut down together. That is amazing and once again prices skyrocket.
What makes me laugh is we have all this technology yet, we cannot get more than an average of 35 mpg. You would think that, someone would have designed an engine that would vaporized gas and used the vapors only instead of fuel liquid and vapors being injected into the engine. They vapors caused the combustion of the engine not the liquid form of fuel.
You can thank CARB and EPA for stifling diesels. Government backs Ethanol-uses up our corn supply,destroys older fuel lines and engines, and on average figure about 4 mpg less when you use it. Can you name any biodiesel processors in NY? The only ones that I've seen was Buffalo Biodiesel(makes it,then ships it overseas),then I think their was a place in Ontario,NY-don't know if that one is still operating.Other states have stations that sell biodiesel at pumps.I'd love to run professionally done biodiesel in my car-cleans whatever buildup you have in your fuel system out-as long as you have bio-capable lines. I bought my 97 VW w/ 312k miles on it a little over a year ago-now at 347k,running around 40 mpg in winter w/ winter fuel and winter tires,avg. around 45 mpg in warmer months w/ summer tires and summer diesel-I use Powerservice and Marvel MysteryOil at each fillup. Supposedly Chevy is coming out w/ a Cruze diesel this summer,but it's going to be around what a VW Jetta TDI is -$24k or so. Chevy was getting ready to produce a smaller Duramax engine for 1/2 ton pickups at their Tonawanda plant,but they pulled the plug on it. I believe Dodge is getting ready to offer diesel for their 1/2 tons sometime this year or next. Sure,U.S. automakers are getting ready to offer some diesels,but they usually option the vehicle out,so the sticker is outrageous and then they wonder why they don't sell. Give me a diesel 1/2 ton w/ manual windows and air-like GM did from the early 80's-90's. You really shouldn't run large % of biodiesel in the new diesels-chance of messing up the emission systems on them.Best thing to run the WVO(waste vegetable oil) in are the early 80's diesels-VW's,Mercedes,etc.
I think this 10% ethanol added to the gas hurts gas mileage ..This also helps add to the cost of gas..Also the taxes on that gallon ..its .70 cents a gallon in New York on top of sales tax.. Diesel is higher at .76 cents.....
Bob they do exist other than Buffalo Biodiesel there is http://www.ithacabiodiesel.org/mission.html they have been around for years and I know contractors that use their product, we used to get it for our Skid Steer we used for snow removal. Love the popcorn smell from the exhaust too, much easier to take over the diesel derived from petroleum.
Here's some food for thought, If technology advances enough so that vehicles get 100 MPG or run entirely on electric, you're going to have to pay a road use tax based on miles driven. It's already becoming a topic of discussion for "green" cars. Green aint free..never will be.
I want to know why diesel
I want to know why diesel prices are so out of line. When gasoline cost about $1.10 per gallon, Diesel was $.25 per gallon. Now diesel costs more than gasoline. Diesel engines are 40% to 60% more fuel efficient than gasoline so why aren't more vehicles run on diesel?
Very good question Doug...
Very good question Doug...
"On-highway diesel fuel
<i>"On-highway diesel fuel prices have been higher than regular gasoline prices almost continuously since September 2004, a break from the historical pattern of diesel fuel prices usually being lower than gasoline prices except in cold winters when demand for heating oil pushed diesel fuel prices higher. The main reasons why diesel fuel prices have been higher than gasoline prices in recent years are:
<br><br>
*High worldwide demand for diesel fuel and other distillate fuel oils, especially in Europe, China, India, and the United States, and a tight global refining capacity available to meet demand during the period of high economic growth from 2002 to mid-2008.
<br>
*The transition to less polluting, lower-sulfur diesel fuels in the United States affected diesel fuel production and distribution costs.
<br>
*The Federal excise tax for on-highway diesel fuel of 24.4 cents/gallon is 6 cents per gallon higher the gasoline tax."</i>
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Source: http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=9&t=5
I always thought diesel was a
I always thought diesel was a by product of gasoline and that was why is was cheaper...Can't imagine what it must be like for the interdependent trucker trying to make a living with 4 dollar diesel...
Not only Doug that but then
Not only Doug that but then you could run your car on used oil from the deep fryer! Recycling, smells good, saves money. What's not to like? My man Willie Nelson does it. Hemp Oil, biodiesel. It's all there and the diesel engine don't care too much what you put in it. Rudolph Diesel actually designed his engine with the farmer in mind, thinking he could grow his own fuel. Self-sufficiency? We can't have that.
Dave, the hemp industry could
Dave, the hemp industry could be a new/old boost for the economy. Hemp will grow where all other crops fail. So much can be produced from hemp, too. Its seeds are pressed for oil that can be used for food (salad dressings, supplements, etc.), industrial lubrication, diesel fuel, paints, varnishes and more. It is an annual, herbaceous, long fibre plant similar to flax (linen), jute and ramie.
http://www.hempfarm.org/Papers/Hemp_Facts.html
Guess the Big - Oil interests
Guess the Big - Oil interests didn't like diesel much even in 1913
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/inventor-rudolf-diesel-vanis…
BTW, as a testament to the
BTW, as a testament to the longevity of, reliability of and economic efficiency of a diesel engine, I drive a 3/4 ton diesel pickup truck 106 miles round trip back and forth to work every day and the engine has 220,000 miles on it. Oil pressure and compression are still like a new engine. I use an additive to prevent biological contamination in the fuel and I use Howe's fuel additive to lubricate the pumps and injectors and to prevent gelling. I haven't had a vehicle payment in years (knock on wood) so all I need to do is change the oil, keep tires on it and keep it topped off with fuel.
I knocked on my wood desk for
I knocked on my wood desk for ya, Doug. If you have a Chevy with the Duramax or a Dodge with the Cummins. Or a Ford with the old Powerstroke (7.3 L) They were all designed for approx. 300 -350,000 miles. It's actually done by gallons of fuel, but on average that's where it works out, if you don't leave it idle a lot. Keeping the fuel clean is critical from about where you are and higher. As is the lubrication of course. Good Luck.
2003 Duramax, Allison
2003 Duramax, Allison transmission. It actually gets great fuel mileage..about 20 MPG and even better if I use the cruise control @ 60 MPH or under. If I stuff my foot in it or run higher speeds, it will GULP the diesel.
I change the fuel filter (Delco or NAPA) on a fall/spring schedule. The engine oil (Rotella) and filter (Delco, NAPA or Purolator) is changed about every 4K miles whether the truck says it needs it or not. Mobil/1 75W-90 synthetic gear oil in the rear pumpkin (2 WD truck).
Huell Howser (RIP), one of my
Huell Howser (RIP), one of my heroes in California, did a great segment on a guy in Ojai who converted a car to run on discarded cooking oil from restaurants.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz4o7mJdMFY
Back when I was just a young
Back when I was just a young - un 14 or 15 years old, working for a farmer on weekends, he told me that oil is cheaper than iron. Keep changing it.
Way back I think in the early
Way back I think in the early 80's. there was a guy in Batavia who had a wood burner in his trunk I believe to heat a boiler and create steam which propelled the car. I'm betting someone reading this has more info to share about that. If so Please do.
I think it was a VW bug?
I think it was a VW bug?
What gas prices come down to
What gas prices come down to is "Corporate Greed!" They claim gas prices are up because, of the additives they put into our gas. Back when we had leaded gas it was because, they added it to it. Yet Regular Leaded gas was cheaper than Unleaded. We have technologies out there to get better mileage out of gas, non-gas energies such as hydro-electric, solar, etc.... but, as long as Oil Companies buy up patents and car companies side with big oil companies, things will never change. Big Oil claims that cost are high because, of repairs to oil refineries caused by weather, aging equipment, to relieve the burden of taxes on their refineries and every other BS story they can conjure up. How is it they are able to set record high profits up if, things are so bad. I watched a documentary on the earth's oil supply on I believe it was Discovery or National Geographic. Some scientist claim that the earth reproduces oil and even when I oil well drys up it will eventually fluid with oil. They claim it is not a fast process but, I wonder what truth lies in that? After all we see oil rigs left behind when a well is not producing anymore. There is alot of scrap metal that can be recycle to help build another well. The government does not seem concern in relieving the oil issues. When I was in the middle east such as Saudi, Kuwait, Iraq, Bahrain, gas was cheap. In 2010 while station at Kirkuk, Iraq, gas costed approximately 46 cents for three liters. Our refineries seem to always break down and/or shut down together. That is amazing and once again prices skyrocket.
What makes me laugh is we have all this technology yet, we cannot get more than an average of 35 mpg. You would think that, someone would have designed an engine that would vaporized gas and used the vapors only instead of fuel liquid and vapors being injected into the engine. They vapors caused the combustion of the engine not the liquid form of fuel.
You can thank CARB and EPA
You can thank CARB and EPA for stifling diesels. Government backs Ethanol-uses up our corn supply,destroys older fuel lines and engines, and on average figure about 4 mpg less when you use it. Can you name any biodiesel processors in NY? The only ones that I've seen was Buffalo Biodiesel(makes it,then ships it overseas),then I think their was a place in Ontario,NY-don't know if that one is still operating.Other states have stations that sell biodiesel at pumps.I'd love to run professionally done biodiesel in my car-cleans whatever buildup you have in your fuel system out-as long as you have bio-capable lines. I bought my 97 VW w/ 312k miles on it a little over a year ago-now at 347k,running around 40 mpg in winter w/ winter fuel and winter tires,avg. around 45 mpg in warmer months w/ summer tires and summer diesel-I use Powerservice and Marvel MysteryOil at each fillup. Supposedly Chevy is coming out w/ a Cruze diesel this summer,but it's going to be around what a VW Jetta TDI is -$24k or so. Chevy was getting ready to produce a smaller Duramax engine for 1/2 ton pickups at their Tonawanda plant,but they pulled the plug on it. I believe Dodge is getting ready to offer diesel for their 1/2 tons sometime this year or next. Sure,U.S. automakers are getting ready to offer some diesels,but they usually option the vehicle out,so the sticker is outrageous and then they wonder why they don't sell. Give me a diesel 1/2 ton w/ manual windows and air-like GM did from the early 80's-90's. You really shouldn't run large % of biodiesel in the new diesels-chance of messing up the emission systems on them.Best thing to run the WVO(waste vegetable oil) in are the early 80's diesels-VW's,Mercedes,etc.
I think this 10% ethanol
I think this 10% ethanol added to the gas hurts gas mileage ..This also helps add to the cost of gas..Also the taxes on that gallon ..its .70 cents a gallon in New York on top of sales tax.. Diesel is higher at .76 cents.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States
Also why does genessee county have the highest gas prices in the area..Monroe county is always 10 cents cheaper..
Bob they do exist other than
Bob they do exist other than Buffalo Biodiesel there is http://www.ithacabiodiesel.org/mission.html they have been around for years and I know contractors that use their product, we used to get it for our Skid Steer we used for snow removal. Love the popcorn smell from the exhaust too, much easier to take over the diesel derived from petroleum.
Here's some food for thought,
Here's some food for thought, If technology advances enough so that vehicles get 100 MPG or run entirely on electric, you're going to have to pay a road use tax based on miles driven. It's already becoming a topic of discussion for "green" cars. Green aint free..never will be.