Today's Poll: Do you support gay marriage?
I could care less who or does not approve or not approve of gay rights.
But Obama did not end Iraq, he actively tried to get Iraq to allow us to keep troops there. If he had his way, we would still be their.
Afghanistan is a bigger mess now than ever, with increasing attacks by government troops on ours. It has been reported now that the administration has not fully reported all the attacks. And Obama just signed a deal that keeps us involved for almost another decade.
Dan, you have proven that you know how politics works but then you put out "This election is going to be about turnout, and with the falling unemployment rate (near 10 percent a few years ago, down to nearly 8 now), increasing exports, over 20 months of straight job growth for the first time since 2007 and the fact that he saved the auto industry" Let's start with the shell game of unemployment. The job market lost 170,000 jobs last month and yet the unemployment rate went down a tenth of a percent. Successful SSDI claims have exponentially skyrocketed while the job force has shrunk. SSDI recipients are not counted as unemployed. The unemployment numbers are way more than a little skewed. These are real facts, not conspiracy theories. The auto industry did not need saving, GM, Chrylser, and Ford did. Toyota and Honda were doing fine (you know those companies producing the cars with the highest domestic content, therefore the greatest percentage of American workers earning paychecks building them). GM has played it's own shell game only paying off Fed bailout money with internal loans (paying off one credit card with another credit card), shuttered the Volt already and laid off workers since the bailout. Chrysler is now owned by Fiat, another "success". Ford made the tough choices on their own and returned to profitability long before the other two. That is the essence of give a man a fish, teach a man to fish. John and Mark have already adequately countered the Iraq/Afghanistan BS. So to sum up your narrative, you say Obama will win in November because a misled public re-elected a successful liar. Not something for this country to hang it's hat on.
the only reason ny okayed gay marriage was to try to bring ppl that left ny state back.....
To say that Barrack Obama is the greatest campaigner and orator of all Time is a bit of a stretch.
Yes he is up there but have you ever heard of the Lincoln/Douglas debates? And let's not forget the great Communicator as he was then called, Ronald Reagan.
FDR did a fairly good job with his fireside chats, and how about JFK "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country!"
Why don't we let history decide who was the greatest orator/debator
I don't particularly care why Obama endorsed gay marriage. He is the first U.S. President to say publicly that gay Americans should have the same right to marry as straight ones and that, as Joe Biden would say, is a Big Fuckin' Deal.
The Republican argument here seems to be that the President isn't allowed to say and do things in an election year that appeal to his base. I'm not sure if you guys how realize how stupid that sounds....
The only argument against against gay marriage is a religious one. This is a secular nation no matter how many evangelical lawmakers insist it shouldn't be, and our laws cannot be based on dogma alone.
Obama is a Democrat and he's going to do and say things that appeal to Democrats and moderates (voting booth moderates, not people who claim to be moderate in order to sound reasonable in public.) Republicans don't want to allow this, because their candidate loses immediately on every issue except the economy. Even the issue of the economy is a toss up; Obama is hurt because nobody has any money, and Romney isn't credible because he wants to go back to doing the things that made all the money disappear in the first place.
"The Republican argument here seems to be that the President isn't allowed to say and do things in an election year that appeal to his base. I'm not sure if you guys how realize how stupid that sounds...."
Chris, I enjoy reading your comments. You always cut through the bull droppings in an entertaining and engaging way. Up to now, I've agreed with everything you say, but I have to take issue with the above quote.
It's purely awesome that the President has endorsed gay marriage. It's a tremendous step forward in human equality. I fail to see any difference between racism and homophobia. This is monumental. I am grateful to our President for taking such a moral and correct stand.
He should certainly be allowed to say whatever he sees fit to appeal to his base. This is what politicians do. It's their job, so to speak. They need to be elected to office, and in order to do so they must appeal to voters.
My problem with his endorsement is about the timing. Where the hell has his concern for gay Americans been for the past four years? He just last week had some epiphany about human rights? My bullshit detector is at level ten over this. My common sense says that it's a distraction from the real issues. Normally I wouldn't even pay attention to a politician flip-flopping (they all do it- it's part of the game), but this is way, way over the top.
I see it as an insult to homosexuals. It's as if he's said that the basic human rights of homosexual Americans only count if it helps him get reelected.
its about legalities, if a lifelong partner died without the legal binding the surviving partner has nothing unlike hetero sexy marriages where there are survivor bennies etc...
I do not support gay marriage but, if they would like to call it something different and allow the same benefits then by all means do so. Marriage is between a man and a woman! If, GOD meant man to be with man then, why make woman? GOD could of made man with both reproductive organs! Heck, some species have that ability!
Mark and Jeff - I stumbled upon this today and re-read the comments. Looks like I read the tea leaves right after all. Four more years!
Yes you did, are you as thrilled with the outcome as I am disgusted by it?
I'm very glad that Mitt Romney isn't President.
I wouldn't have been thrilled with Mitt Romney either, that is why I didn't vote for him but just about anybody would be better than what we are stuck with now. He is pretty much indefensible at this point.
Why Dan, do you want to invite the possible onslaught of anti-Obama post? He won again two years ago and I accept that, I definitely do not like it, but I accept it. It somewhat seems like you are gloating.
Would Romney have been a better president? That question is at the least hypothetical and more likely moot.
Is Obama a doing a good Job? Well as of last week 49.5% say no, 12% aren't sure, hardly a ringing endorsement. (BTW, Bush's poll numbers were 5 points better at this point in his presidency and he was embroiled full bore in two wars)
I for one am steadfastly opposed to most of his policies, 99% of his actions and frankly believe that he will find his place in history among the worst of presidents.
Like all presidentcies however, history will decide and most likely two decades will pass before history does. Remember, Harry Truman left office with low approval ratings near George Bush, and 30 years later he is not only often quoted, but referred to as an outstanding president. If you ask someone now about George Bush you will most likely hear many criticisms, but 20 years from now, well how his actions affected history will determine that, not anything we could say here right now.
Emotions of the time reflect poll standings, emotions also run rampant during and in the near past election cycles, the effect on history is the true rating of a presidency, and we have a few decades to go before we see that for any of our recent presidents. The effects of the Carter & Reagan Presidencies are just now being placed in historical perspective.
You gloat all you want Dan. This thread was from a day and age where people believed they had the power to vote away other people's civil rights. Thank God these words will live on the internet forever.
"This thread was from a day and age where people believed they had the power to vote away other people's civil rights." You are so right Charlie and with what we have seen in just the last 18 months, the results of the 2012 election prove that the power is still alive and well. Thank you for that nostalgic reminder.