Howard, Thanks for putting this poll up. It will be interesting to see the results.
I honestly think that a nationwide "popular" vote should be taken...and the results of the majority should be the rule of thumb when dealing with this issue.
For everyone out there that will be celebrating a religious holiday next month I just want to say... Merry Christmas!, Happy Chanukah!, Merry Kwanzaa!, Happy Bodhi!, and Happy Las Posadas!.
I prefer to celebrate without religion and wish one and all,
"Slainte mhor agus a h-uile beannachd duibh
Good health and every good blessing to you! ~ A Gaelic Prayer"
Sam I can appreciate this sentiment, but would you be willing to accept the outcome if people decided it wasnt appropriate for public and voted to squash any and all religious references to Christmas? I already hear people say merry -X- mas (pronounced exmas) nowadays. I am not so I dont want to see any national vote or rule of thumb made....
As a citizen of the USA, I enjoy free and protected speech. As long as I'm not inciting treason, or saying hateful things to individuals, I should be allowed to say whatever I please.
Why can a Westboro thug say "God hates fags", but a teacher can't say "merry Christmas" to her class?
Why can little Suzie's "mommies" hold hands and kiss at a school open house, but a nativity scene is forbidden?
BTW, I also have the right not to say anything. I feel Christmas has been turned from a joyous, spiritual celebration into a display of blatant greed and overkill. When retailers start putting up Christmas displays in October, it edges towards ridiculous!
Howard, why not switch-up your poll and test attitudes on religious freedom?
How should schools handle Ramadan?
There should be no restrictions on saying "Allahu Akbar" or "Eid Mubarak!" in public or private, nor putting up Ramadan lanterns, crescent moons, and dawn-to-dusk fasting should be encouraged by eliminating the school breakfast and lunch programs until Eid.
Private expressions of faith should be allowed, but the school can't be seen as endorsing a particular religion, all faiths should be respected.
Ramadan, whether public or private expressions, should be kept out of schools completely.
"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." - Thomas Jefferson
If you're going to allow Christmas in schools you must allow the other holidays as well. You shouldn't blast kids with the religious aspects of the holiday at the same time though.
I always feel that the freedom of speech is thrown around way to often in the wrong context.
While every American has the freedom of speech, press, religion (provided by the first amendment) in the most general terms. Meaning the government or police cannot put me in jail for what I choose to comment on this message board.
However as a private citizen but there is no such thing as freedom of speech without consequence. I will not get arrested for calling my boss names or in this case wish a class full of kids 'Merry Christmas', but I could get fired. The first amendment does not protect me from being terminated or from employers creating codes of conduct.
The way I see it, this is nothing more than a dress code or a cell phone at work policy blown way out of proportion because Christmas is something that the majority of us celebrate and love.
Celebrate what you want to celebrate but I have a hard time believing any other superintendent or school board would have handled this any different.
So in the spirit of the 'holidays' and 'peace on earth' or 'good will to men' let's complain about the Bills instead...
Do you know who invented Christmas and all other religions and religious celebrations? That's right, the male half of the 1%. Now just do as you are told and eat your plum pudding. There is a collection plate that needs to be passed so don't dilly dally, riff raff, just do it.
no where do i see a day that said holiday , its thanksgiving or Christmas or new year.call it what it is our men and women went to war for this freedom.
so happy thanksgiving and marry Christmas never mind the crap
Our men and women went to war so they could call the fourth Thursday (not Friday) in November Thanksgiving and the Winter Solstice Celebration, Christmas? Did they know that? If they knew that's what it was all about I believe a lot of them probably would have reconsidered enlisting. Going to war is about one thing only, enriching the 1%.
Bud, you said it best. Corporate greed and sales are what drive the holiday. Black Friday should be outlawed. How much can we sell before the 26th? That is all it is about. I really can't stand to see Halloween candy in August! Christmas stuff in September just reduces my Christmas spirit rather quickly. The church and religious part have fallen to sales and profit.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL...AND GOD BLESS :o)
That's all I'm saying..I didn't say you had to accept
my holiday good wishes for you...if you don't like me
saying it then ignore it!
The problem I see is simple, if you don't like a certain food, don't eat it, if you don't like the music on the radio, shut it off, if you don't like what you read, don't read it, if you don't like whats on tv, change the channel, if you don't like what someone is saying, walk away.
Our gov't can't run the country, so they try to run our lives, huge fail.
Howard, Thanks for putting
Howard, Thanks for putting this poll up. It will be interesting to see the results.
I honestly think that a nationwide "popular" vote should be taken...and the results of the majority should be the rule of thumb when dealing with this issue.
I feel like they are trying
I feel like they are trying to take the "Christmas" out of Christmas.
For everyone out there that
For everyone out there that will be celebrating a religious holiday next month I just want to say... Merry Christmas!, Happy Chanukah!, Merry Kwanzaa!, Happy Bodhi!, and Happy Las Posadas!.
I prefer to celebrate without
I prefer to celebrate without religion and wish one and all,
"Slainte mhor agus a h-uile beannachd duibh
Good health and every good blessing to you! ~ A Gaelic Prayer"
Merry Ramahanukwanzmas!!!!
Merry Ramahanukwanzmas!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCo5b-zZPaY
Sam I can appreciate this
Sam I can appreciate this sentiment, but would you be willing to accept the outcome if people decided it wasnt appropriate for public and voted to squash any and all religious references to Christmas? I already hear people say merry -X- mas (pronounced exmas) nowadays. I am not so I dont want to see any national vote or rule of thumb made....
As a citizen of the USA, I
As a citizen of the USA, I enjoy free and protected speech. As long as I'm not inciting treason, or saying hateful things to individuals, I should be allowed to say whatever I please.
Why can a Westboro thug say "God hates fags", but a teacher can't say "merry Christmas" to her class?
Why can little Suzie's "mommies" hold hands and kiss at a school open house, but a nativity scene is forbidden?
BTW, I also have the right not to say anything. I feel Christmas has been turned from a joyous, spiritual celebration into a display of blatant greed and overkill. When retailers start putting up Christmas displays in October, it edges towards ridiculous!
Howard, why not switch-up
Howard, why not switch-up your poll and test attitudes on religious freedom?
How should schools handle Ramadan?
There should be no restrictions on saying "Allahu Akbar" or "Eid Mubarak!" in public or private, nor putting up Ramadan lanterns, crescent moons, and dawn-to-dusk fasting should be encouraged by eliminating the school breakfast and lunch programs until Eid.
Private expressions of faith should be allowed, but the school can't be seen as endorsing a particular religion, all faiths should be respected.
Ramadan, whether public or private expressions, should be kept out of schools completely.
"All, too, will bear in mind
"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." - Thomas Jefferson
If you're going to allow
If you're going to allow Christmas in schools you must allow the other holidays as well. You shouldn't blast kids with the religious aspects of the holiday at the same time though.
Happy Winter Solstice!
I always feel that the
I always feel that the freedom of speech is thrown around way to often in the wrong context.
While every American has the freedom of speech, press, religion (provided by the first amendment) in the most general terms. Meaning the government or police cannot put me in jail for what I choose to comment on this message board.
However as a private citizen but there is no such thing as freedom of speech without consequence. I will not get arrested for calling my boss names or in this case wish a class full of kids 'Merry Christmas', but I could get fired. The first amendment does not protect me from being terminated or from employers creating codes of conduct.
The way I see it, this is nothing more than a dress code or a cell phone at work policy blown way out of proportion because Christmas is something that the majority of us celebrate and love.
Celebrate what you want to celebrate but I have a hard time believing any other superintendent or school board would have handled this any different.
So in the spirit of the 'holidays' and 'peace on earth' or 'good will to men' let's complain about the Bills instead...
Do you know who invented
Do you know who invented Christmas and all other religions and religious celebrations? That's right, the male half of the 1%. Now just do as you are told and eat your plum pudding. There is a collection plate that needs to be passed so don't dilly dally, riff raff, just do it.
no where do i see a day that
no where do i see a day that said holiday , its thanksgiving or Christmas or new year.call it what it is our men and women went to war for this freedom.
so happy thanksgiving and marry Christmas never mind the crap
Our men and women went to war
Our men and women went to war so they could call the fourth Thursday (not Friday) in November Thanksgiving and the Winter Solstice Celebration, Christmas? Did they know that? If they knew that's what it was all about I believe a lot of them probably would have reconsidered enlisting. Going to war is about one thing only, enriching the 1%.
Bud, you said it best.
Bud, you said it best. Corporate greed and sales are what drive the holiday. Black Friday should be outlawed. How much can we sell before the 26th? That is all it is about. I really can't stand to see Halloween candy in August! Christmas stuff in September just reduces my Christmas spirit rather quickly. The church and religious part have fallen to sales and profit.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL...AND
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL...AND GOD BLESS :o)
That's all I'm saying..I didn't say you had to accept
my holiday good wishes for you...if you don't like me
saying it then ignore it!
The problem I see is simple,
The problem I see is simple, if you don't like a certain food, don't eat it, if you don't like the music on the radio, shut it off, if you don't like what you read, don't read it, if you don't like whats on tv, change the channel, if you don't like what someone is saying, walk away.
Our gov't can't run the country, so they try to run our lives, huge fail.
Merry Christmas to you too
Merry Christmas to you too Sam and God's blessings on everyone who reads and contributes to The Batavian and All of Batavia.