If tobacco is legal, then the government nanny state should not care if it is flavoured or not. it's none of their business and tobacco users should be free to buy what "flavor" they want.
I would normally agree with the above statement. However, this is a public safety issue. It is obvious that these toxic products are targeting the Youth of our Country. It is similiar to the synthetic pot issue of several weeks ago.
I don't think it's obvious at all. Seems like a trumped up issue promulgated by prohibitionists who aren't happy unless they're micro-managing other people's lives.
I knew NYS would target this eventually. Ok, so. I have smoked for over 20 years a pack a day or more. Attempting to quit countless times. Through the years I have tried patches, cold turkey, nicotine gum even a magic pill. Then came the E cig. It worked instantly. I started with a higher dose Nicotine drip and lessened the dosage until I was no longer using the nicotine, just flavors. Now, I (and many of my Ex smoking friends) enjoy just vaping the wide variety of flavors they offer.
Kids are going to smoke if they want to. No matter what this freedom sucking state tries to control. Tobacco companies aren't allowed to advertise anymore, the product costs up to 12 bucks a pack, they spend millions on their disgusting commercials. Yet kids still smoke.
The fact is that the flavored vapor only contains propylene glycol and nicotine. No tar, no arsenic and none of the other 2000 chemicals found in cigarettes. So toxic is NOT an adjective that should be used for these products and is NOT comparable to the synthetic weed issue.
All main ingredients in nicotine liquid are food products generally considered as safe. There are two common main ingredients in it—propylene glycol and nicotine. Nicotine liquid can be 80 to 90% propylene glycol and 0 to 6% nicotine. Other less common ingredients are menthol—for the mint flavor, glycerol, and even pure water that can be about 10% of the solution.
Here is a much safer alternative and yet the new batch of Tipper Gores wants to fight to have this banned to.
Want your kids to do the right thing? Educate them. Stop depending on the government to do it for you.
Brett, I don't think they're talking about banning the same product you're defending. They're talking about flavored tobacco, actual tabacco leaf dried, flavored and rolled into a cigarette or cigar.
What chewing tobacco is not flavored? Raw tobacco cannot be consumed. The curing process adds flavor, so by that standard, all tobacco is flavored. This is overreach. Kids know tobacco is bad for them, they are not swayed otherwise by "flavors". Menthol cigarettes should be considered "flavored". Many specialty beers now have flavors such as vanilla, citrus, honey, etc. Will they be going after them next? It is a nasty habit, but one that people make a choice to partake in. Laws for the sake of laws are just justification of a legislators existence. Get on with real problems.
Absolutely absurd. Tobacco has been deemed a legal substance, is regulated and has an excise tax attached to it. Banning flavored products will not reduce smoking rates, people who smoke will just switch to non-flavored products and it will only serve to harm our retail sector.
Wow, New York State views flavoring tabacco as an evil to society. What does Obama feel about that? It is not the flavor that causes people to be addicted to tabacco, it is the nicotine that it contains.
Some history (recent)- the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act was made federal law in 2009. Aside from various regulations pertaining to product labeling, the law put regulating manufacturing, marketing and sale of tobacco under the authority of the FDA. Previously, as of January 24, 2003, the Treasury and Justice Departments shared responsibility for tobacco regulation- law enforcement functions under auspices of Justice; tax and trade functions, Treasury Department (Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau). The decision to legislate FDA authority was the result of a 1996 FDA assertion of authority to reduce tobacco use by children. The independent actions of the FDA coinciding with that assertion of authority resulted in a 2000 Supreme Court ruling in the case of FDA v. Brown and Williamson Tobacco Corp. citing lack of Congressional approval for the FDA's action.
The 2009 law addresses that ruling, designating FDA authority and specifically banning flavored tobacco cigarettes. According to Dr. Margaret Hamburg, commissioner of food and drugs, “These flavored cigarettes are a gateway for many children and young adults to become regular smokers.” The 2009 law was challenged in a civil suit filed in federal court, Bowling Green, Kentucky, The 2010 ruling in that case upheld most of the FSPTCA with exceptions relative to labeling provisions.
New Jersey became the first state to implement a ban on sale or distribution of flavored cigarettes in 2008.
In the wake of the 2009 court challenge, several states and municipalities moved to affect laws responsive to advocacy for protecting children from tobacco and marketing perceived as encouraging its use by children. Additionally, some states felt that other flavored tobacco products should be included in the ban. Assemblyman Sean Ryan D-Buffalo cosponsored an amendment to the NYS Public Health Law to prohibit sale of tobacco products with a "characterizing flavor." Providence, Rhode Island approved a ban on flavored tobacco products and tobacco discounts in February. NYC has for a year restricted sale of flavored cigars and smokeless tobacco to so-called tobacco bars. Fort Myers, Florida has called for a voluntary cessation, asking tobacco retailers not to sell or market flavored tobacco in the city limits. The West Virginia Health and Human Resources Committee is weighing a proposed ban on flavored tobacco products. WV has been cited as having one of the worst records on teenage tobacco usage. Washington state's Health Care & Wellness committee is also debating affording local jurisdictions more control over tobacco sales. Maine has adopted a ban. U.S. Senators Dick Durbin (D-IL), Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ), Sherrod Brown (D-OH), Jeff Merkley (D-OR) and Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) are currently advocating that the FDA add flavored cigars to the federal ban. Flavored tobacco products are currently under scrutiny in Utah and Florida.
Meanwhile, Georgia legislators passed a law prohibiting the sale of marijuana-flavored candy to children. The state is targeting retailers that sell drug-inspired candy such as "Chronic Candy" and "Pot Suckers."
Interesting post CM, what struck me most was every politician listed in your post was a Democrat.
Pretty much bolsters my opinion that the Democrat Party as a whole is pushing the Nanny State,
I for one am simply plain tired of policians feeling that thier job is to be our conscience. Just another example of government attempting to ursurp personal responsibilty for political gain as far as I am concerned.
If tobacco is legal, then the
If tobacco is legal, then the government nanny state should not care if it is flavoured or not. it's none of their business and tobacco users should be free to buy what "flavor" they want.
I would normally agree with
I would normally agree with the above statement. However, this is a public safety issue. It is obvious that these toxic products are targeting the Youth of our Country. It is similiar to the synthetic pot issue of several weeks ago.
I don't think it's obvious at
I don't think it's obvious at all. Seems like a trumped up issue promulgated by prohibitionists who aren't happy unless they're micro-managing other people's lives.
Amen Howard, the nanny state
Amen Howard, the nanny state has to go in reverse, it is high time personal responsibilty comes back to center stage!
I agree with posts 2 and 4.
I agree with posts 2 and 4. Tobacco is legal - no matter what flavor.
As a member of Generation Y,
As a member of Generation Y, I would like you to provide a definition of "Personal Responsibility." I am not familiar with the term. ;)
I knew NYS would target this
I knew NYS would target this eventually. Ok, so. I have smoked for over 20 years a pack a day or more. Attempting to quit countless times. Through the years I have tried patches, cold turkey, nicotine gum even a magic pill. Then came the E cig. It worked instantly. I started with a higher dose Nicotine drip and lessened the dosage until I was no longer using the nicotine, just flavors. Now, I (and many of my Ex smoking friends) enjoy just vaping the wide variety of flavors they offer.
Kids are going to smoke if they want to. No matter what this freedom sucking state tries to control. Tobacco companies aren't allowed to advertise anymore, the product costs up to 12 bucks a pack, they spend millions on their disgusting commercials. Yet kids still smoke.
The fact is that the flavored vapor only contains propylene glycol and nicotine. No tar, no arsenic and none of the other 2000 chemicals found in cigarettes. So toxic is NOT an adjective that should be used for these products and is NOT comparable to the synthetic weed issue.
All main ingredients in nicotine liquid are food products generally considered as safe. There are two common main ingredients in it—propylene glycol and nicotine. Nicotine liquid can be 80 to 90% propylene glycol and 0 to 6% nicotine. Other less common ingredients are menthol—for the mint flavor, glycerol, and even pure water that can be about 10% of the solution.
Here is a much safer alternative and yet the new batch of Tipper Gores wants to fight to have this banned to.
Want your kids to do the right thing? Educate them. Stop depending on the government to do it for you.
Brett, I don't think they're
Brett, I don't think they're talking about banning the same product you're defending. They're talking about flavored tobacco, actual tabacco leaf dried, flavored and rolled into a cigarette or cigar.
Well then, I take back my
Well then, I take back my defensive rant.
Don't take it back Brett,
Don't take it back Brett, they'll get to banning the E-cig soon enough.
"Do it for the children" and "There should be a law against..." Two quotes paving the road to tyranny.
What chewing tobacco is not
What chewing tobacco is not flavored? Raw tobacco cannot be consumed. The curing process adds flavor, so by that standard, all tobacco is flavored. This is overreach. Kids know tobacco is bad for them, they are not swayed otherwise by "flavors". Menthol cigarettes should be considered "flavored". Many specialty beers now have flavors such as vanilla, citrus, honey, etc. Will they be going after them next? It is a nasty habit, but one that people make a choice to partake in. Laws for the sake of laws are just justification of a legislators existence. Get on with real problems.
So far 225 people believe the
So far 225 people believe the power of the state should be used to control how you live.
Absolutely absurd. Tobacco
Absolutely absurd. Tobacco has been deemed a legal substance, is regulated and has an excise tax attached to it. Banning flavored products will not reduce smoking rates, people who smoke will just switch to non-flavored products and it will only serve to harm our retail sector.
Wow, New York State views
Wow, New York State views flavoring tabacco as an evil to society. What does Obama feel about that? It is not the flavor that causes people to be addicted to tabacco, it is the nicotine that it contains.
John - What does President
John - What does President Obama have to do with it?
Some history (recent)- the
Some history (recent)- the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act was made federal law in 2009. Aside from various regulations pertaining to product labeling, the law put regulating manufacturing, marketing and sale of tobacco under the authority of the FDA. Previously, as of January 24, 2003, the Treasury and Justice Departments shared responsibility for tobacco regulation- law enforcement functions under auspices of Justice; tax and trade functions, Treasury Department (Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau). The decision to legislate FDA authority was the result of a 1996 FDA assertion of authority to reduce tobacco use by children. The independent actions of the FDA coinciding with that assertion of authority resulted in a 2000 Supreme Court ruling in the case of FDA v. Brown and Williamson Tobacco Corp. citing lack of Congressional approval for the FDA's action.
The 2009 law addresses that ruling, designating FDA authority and specifically banning flavored tobacco cigarettes. According to Dr. Margaret Hamburg, commissioner of food and drugs, “These flavored cigarettes are a gateway for many children and young adults to become regular smokers.” The 2009 law was challenged in a civil suit filed in federal court, Bowling Green, Kentucky, The 2010 ruling in that case upheld most of the FSPTCA with exceptions relative to labeling provisions.
New Jersey became the first state to implement a ban on sale or distribution of flavored cigarettes in 2008.
In the wake of the 2009 court challenge, several states and municipalities moved to affect laws responsive to advocacy for protecting children from tobacco and marketing perceived as encouraging its use by children. Additionally, some states felt that other flavored tobacco products should be included in the ban. Assemblyman Sean Ryan D-Buffalo cosponsored an amendment to the NYS Public Health Law to prohibit sale of tobacco products with a "characterizing flavor." Providence, Rhode Island approved a ban on flavored tobacco products and tobacco discounts in February. NYC has for a year restricted sale of flavored cigars and smokeless tobacco to so-called tobacco bars. Fort Myers, Florida has called for a voluntary cessation, asking tobacco retailers not to sell or market flavored tobacco in the city limits. The West Virginia Health and Human Resources Committee is weighing a proposed ban on flavored tobacco products. WV has been cited as having one of the worst records on teenage tobacco usage. Washington state's Health Care & Wellness committee is also debating affording local jurisdictions more control over tobacco sales. Maine has adopted a ban. U.S. Senators Dick Durbin (D-IL), Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ), Sherrod Brown (D-OH), Jeff Merkley (D-OR) and Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) are currently advocating that the FDA add flavored cigars to the federal ban. Flavored tobacco products are currently under scrutiny in Utah and Florida.
Meanwhile, Georgia legislators passed a law prohibiting the sale of marijuana-flavored candy to children. The state is targeting retailers that sell drug-inspired candy such as "Chronic Candy" and "Pot Suckers."
It's probably okay to prevent
It's probably okay to prevent new, exotic flavored tobacco products from coming to market, but menthol needs to be grandfathered.
Interesting post CM, what
Interesting post CM, what struck me most was every politician listed in your post was a Democrat.
Pretty much bolsters my opinion that the Democrat Party as a whole is pushing the Nanny State,
I for one am simply plain tired of policians feeling that thier job is to be our conscience. Just another example of government attempting to ursurp personal responsibilty for political gain as far as I am concerned.