From a money point of view, no. Bus service, which we pay for, is based on the current school times. If they are allowed to start later, there would have to be a requirement that if had kids that ride the bus still come in earlier.
Phyllis said...."First if you want to be taken seriously, clean up your language. Only those with a lack of education, intelligence, or anything important to say will resort to expletives and vulgarity."
That is pretty much the biggest dodge of a valid point I have seen Phyllis. Does not matter what vulgar language is used nor what the intelligence or educational level of the person using it is. The point is still there and being made. I have seen people much more intelligent than you or I use vulgarities and explicatives and still make valid and accurate points.
As for most of the topics like this we have discussed they are like pistachio nuts. Once you separate the sides the nuts come out. As for this particular topic, leave it the way it is, once out in the real work world they dont get to pick when they work they get to work what the job requires. Giving them this now gives them the expectation that they can expect the same when they go to work.....
Ooops ya must have missed it Jeff....Dave quoted George Carlin, and Phyllis (whom I quoted) dismissed Daves point because of the vulgarities in Carlin's monologue.
Billie didn't like the language in Dave's post. She was going to delete it. I told her no. She wrote a note to Dave asking him to remove the curse words. Dave agreed, but by the time he got back to his post, what he wrote was gone.
Billie tried to explain to me what she was doing and how she was doing it, and it makes no sense to me.
It's not clear how Dave's post got modified, but it shouldn't have been modified (we don't modify posts, ever -- we either ask the person to make changes or delete it from the database).
Dave put the ACLU link in his post, which I take issue with. Even if we intentionally removed Dave's post, there's no way it could be considered censorship because we're a private business and have every right to determine the perimeters of what constitutes civil discussion on this site. Only the government can censor you. A private person or private business never can.
Finally, we have no idea what happen to the post by Phyllis. It disappearing is a complete mystery.
There is something called a work ethic. It is taught, both by parents and school at an early age. By the time a child is in high school, that ethic should be well developed. It includes responsibility to self and others, pride in workmanship, time management, and other skills needed to get along in a competitive workplace. Most business owners understand that they are doomed to fail if their hours aren't convenient for their customers. Most employers are not going to set their hours so their employees can sleep in. Just say'n.
"New evidence suggests that later high school starts have widespread benefits. Researchers at the University of Minnesota, funded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, studied eight high schools in three states before and after they moved to later start times in recent years. In results released Wednesday they found that the later a school’s start time, the better off the students were on many measures, including mental health, car crash rates, attendance and, in some schools, grades and standardized test scores."
"During puberty, teenagers have a later release of the “sleep” hormone melatonin, which means they tend not to feel drowsy until around 11 p.m. That inclination can be further delayed by the stimulating blue light from electronic devices, which tricks the brain into sensing wakeful daylight, slowing the release of melatonin and the onset of sleep. The Minnesota study noted that 88 percent of the students kept a cellphone in their bedroom."
It's not about laziness or a lack of work ethic, it's based on research about how the teenage brain and body functions. I guess I don't understand why people are so up-in-arms over an idea that might help high school students retain more information while in school.
I guess that just means that teenagers should turn off the electronic "blue light" devices at a reasonable hour and go to sleep earlier. True enough, young people need lots of sleep, but production of the sleep hormone Melatonin is triggered by the onset of darkness. When the sun goes down, without artificial daylight, people go to sleep.
Teenagers shouldn't have a cell phone or a PC in their bedroom at all. If I had kids at home, the cell phone would be parked in a charger before bed time and the family computer would be in a main room with the monitor facing the living space so that "mom and dad" could see what's on there at a glance.
Take a look on youtube sometime if you want to see what kids get up to when they have unrestricted access to computers and other electronic devices.
Doug, how old fashioned (and right) of you. These new studies simply mask and attempt to treat the symptom instead of the real issue. Look at our ranking in education worldwide. The US is currently 28th in the world. Just 20 years ago we were no.1. When were we the most innovative? Look at our industrial and manufacturing prowess of the early 1900's. Look at our space program in the 50's and 60's. Look at our tech. and computing advances of the 70's and 80's. Were we spending our time worrying about the sleeping patterns of our kids? Yep, go to bed at a decent hour, get your butt out of bed and go to school. In fact for many, it was get your butt out of bed, do chores, then go to school. We thrived in education standards during those times and now we are in freefall. So what is the answer? Push some study that excuses poor habits and will just push us further into the global educational basement.
Joshua, those studies and the suggestion that the teenage brain doesn't release melotonin until 11pm is very interesting. On the flip side, if the school day started later, and what I think I know about teenagers would suggest they would just stay up later, thus nothing would change. As far as car crashes go, that could be the difference between rush hour traffic and less traffic later in the morning.
Not trying to dispute the studies, just looking at it from another angle.
Maybe we need to trick the teenage brain into thinking it is 11pm at about 9pm.
For the sake of those who have forgotten or never lived in the decade of the 1950s... School doors opened at 9 AM. Most children walked to school. This was on the cusp of the era of mass centralization; there were two, three and four room school houses dotting the most rural areas. Today, even with school starting at 8 AM, many students have an hour or greater bus ride to and from school. ...That necessitates getting out of bed at 6 AM or earlier. So a study that suggests students don't get enough sleep reflects more than the inertia of getting out of bed. School in the "good old days" was 6 hours of classes. Nowadays it is 7 hours. So the school day is significantly longer, it starts significantly earlier and there are significantly more distractions in youngsters' lives. We really are comparing apples to oranges.
Won't that just make the
Won't that just make the transition harder when they have to get up for say...a job.
From a money point of view,
From a money point of view, no. Bus service, which we pay for, is based on the current school times. If they are allowed to start later, there would have to be a requirement that if had kids that ride the bus still come in earlier.
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Phyllis said...."First if you
Phyllis said...."First if you want to be taken seriously, clean up your language. Only those with a lack of education, intelligence, or anything important to say will resort to expletives and vulgarity."
That is pretty much the biggest dodge of a valid point I have seen Phyllis. Does not matter what vulgar language is used nor what the intelligence or educational level of the person using it is. The point is still there and being made. I have seen people much more intelligent than you or I use vulgarities and explicatives and still make valid and accurate points.
As for most of the topics like this we have discussed they are like pistachio nuts. Once you separate the sides the nuts come out. As for this particular topic, leave it the way it is, once out in the real work world they dont get to pick when they work they get to work what the job requires. Giving them this now gives them the expectation that they can expect the same when they go to work.....
Who is Phyllis and where did
Who is Phyllis and where did she go?
Ooops ya must have missed it
Ooops ya must have missed it Jeff....Dave quoted George Carlin, and Phyllis (whom I quoted) dismissed Daves point because of the vulgarities in Carlin's monologue.
Billie didn't like the
Billie didn't like the language in Dave's post. She was going to delete it. I told her no. She wrote a note to Dave asking him to remove the curse words. Dave agreed, but by the time he got back to his post, what he wrote was gone.
Billie tried to explain to me what she was doing and how she was doing it, and it makes no sense to me.
It's not clear how Dave's post got modified, but it shouldn't have been modified (we don't modify posts, ever -- we either ask the person to make changes or delete it from the database).
Dave put the ACLU link in his post, which I take issue with. Even if we intentionally removed Dave's post, there's no way it could be considered censorship because we're a private business and have every right to determine the perimeters of what constitutes civil discussion on this site. Only the government can censor you. A private person or private business never can.
Finally, we have no idea what happen to the post by Phyllis. It disappearing is a complete mystery.
I disagree regarding
I disagree regarding censorship.
But anyway, mistakes happen, life goes on. And I'm glad you are all my neighbors.
Phyllis too!
The NSA is at it again
The NSA is at it again :)
There is something called a
There is something called a work ethic. It is taught, both by parents and school at an early age. By the time a child is in high school, that ethic should be well developed. It includes responsibility to self and others, pride in workmanship, time management, and other skills needed to get along in a competitive workplace. Most business owners understand that they are doomed to fail if their hours aren't convenient for their customers. Most employers are not going to set their hours so their employees can sleep in. Just say'n.
LOL John....I'll see ya in
LOL John....I'll see ya in guantanamo then.....maybe Dave will have the cell between us and we can share pistachios.
"New evidence suggests that
"New evidence suggests that later high school starts have widespread benefits. Researchers at the University of Minnesota, funded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, studied eight high schools in three states before and after they moved to later start times in recent years. In results released Wednesday they found that the later a school’s start time, the better off the students were on many measures, including mental health, car crash rates, attendance and, in some schools, grades and standardized test scores."
"During puberty, teenagers have a later release of the “sleep” hormone melatonin, which means they tend not to feel drowsy until around 11 p.m. That inclination can be further delayed by the stimulating blue light from electronic devices, which tricks the brain into sensing wakeful daylight, slowing the release of melatonin and the onset of sleep. The Minnesota study noted that 88 percent of the students kept a cellphone in their bedroom."
It's not about laziness or a lack of work ethic, it's based on research about how the teenage brain and body functions. I guess I don't understand why people are so up-in-arms over an idea that might help high school students retain more information while in school.
Didn't realize Save and
Didn't realize Save and Phylis were congressional folks...
I guess that just means that
I guess that just means that teenagers should turn off the electronic "blue light" devices at a reasonable hour and go to sleep earlier. True enough, young people need lots of sleep, but production of the sleep hormone Melatonin is triggered by the onset of darkness. When the sun goes down, without artificial daylight, people go to sleep.
Teenagers shouldn't have a cell phone or a PC in their bedroom at all. If I had kids at home, the cell phone would be parked in a charger before bed time and the family computer would be in a main room with the monitor facing the living space so that "mom and dad" could see what's on there at a glance.
Take a look on youtube sometime if you want to see what kids get up to when they have unrestricted access to computers and other electronic devices.
Doug, how old fashioned (and
Doug, how old fashioned (and right) of you. These new studies simply mask and attempt to treat the symptom instead of the real issue. Look at our ranking in education worldwide. The US is currently 28th in the world. Just 20 years ago we were no.1. When were we the most innovative? Look at our industrial and manufacturing prowess of the early 1900's. Look at our space program in the 50's and 60's. Look at our tech. and computing advances of the 70's and 80's. Were we spending our time worrying about the sleeping patterns of our kids? Yep, go to bed at a decent hour, get your butt out of bed and go to school. In fact for many, it was get your butt out of bed, do chores, then go to school. We thrived in education standards during those times and now we are in freefall. So what is the answer? Push some study that excuses poor habits and will just push us further into the global educational basement.
Joshua, those studies and the
Joshua, those studies and the suggestion that the teenage brain doesn't release melotonin until 11pm is very interesting. On the flip side, if the school day started later, and what I think I know about teenagers would suggest they would just stay up later, thus nothing would change. As far as car crashes go, that could be the difference between rush hour traffic and less traffic later in the morning.
Not trying to dispute the studies, just looking at it from another angle.
Maybe we need to trick the teenage brain into thinking it is 11pm at about 9pm.
For the sake of those who
For the sake of those who have forgotten or never lived in the decade of the 1950s... School doors opened at 9 AM. Most children walked to school. This was on the cusp of the era of mass centralization; there were two, three and four room school houses dotting the most rural areas. Today, even with school starting at 8 AM, many students have an hour or greater bus ride to and from school. ...That necessitates getting out of bed at 6 AM or earlier. So a study that suggests students don't get enough sleep reflects more than the inertia of getting out of bed. School in the "good old days" was 6 hours of classes. Nowadays it is 7 hours. So the school day is significantly longer, it starts significantly earlier and there are significantly more distractions in youngsters' lives. We really are comparing apples to oranges.