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June 21, 2010 - 11:41am

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posted by C. M. Barons in Candidate, Chris Barons, C. M. Barons.

This weekend was particularly rewarding.  I had the opportunity to meet voters in three counties, folks attending the Stafford Fireman's Parade, a group of voters in the Town of Murray and attendees at the St. John Lutheran Church hosted Hamlin Strawberry Festival.  Not only did I walk away with a fulfilled sense of voter sentiment, I purchased a delicious bowl of shortcake while at the Strawberry Festival.

As much as the 139th is diverse in its four-county membership and the unique communities that comprise the district, voters seem to share the same sense of urgency.  The state is in dire need of responsible leadership.  The most discerning question that was often repeated, "Are you the incumbent?"

Incumbency may be a focus, and "Throw the bums out," has been a rallying cry for some time; I do not intend to invest my time exploiting that single itch.  The voters deserve a comprehensive action plan for righting state government.  I do not intend to rely on slogans, generalities and gladhanding to engage district voters.  My approach to the campaign is my approach to the business of state: ideas, study, dialogue, study, alliances, concensus.  I don't mean to oversimplify the legislative process.  I have a long history conducting negotiations, and I know the dynamics well.  Please anticipate a detailed look at my policies.

I hope everyone had time to celebrate Father's Day.  I did so vicariously.  The weather was spot-on!  See you along the campaign trail...

Chris

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Charlie, I've said this several times and several different ways, and I'm even putting it in English: Decided how YOU want to vote. Don't try to make that the standard for everybody else. Isn't that clear?
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Or, OK, try to make that the standard for everybody else, but expect me to argue against it.
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Why not try to convince someone that my litmus test is the most important factor? Our political system has been based on this for hundreds of years. It’s the basis for all political campaigns and always has been. One side works to tell you why their candidate is better than the other guy. The other side does the same thing. It could be military service, political or even job experience. Political camps develop litmus tests and try to convince those who haven’t decided to pick their guy. That’s called an open and free election. You’re splitting hairs. CM’s qualifications are important and I will debate them and hold them up to Steve’s anyway I can. CM has a strong weakness and it is his list of qualifications for State office. CM’s supporters have their own set of litmus tests; one that I can see is a lack of public service. That’s fine with me, that is their argument for their guy.
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Charlie, I do not expect military service from any candidate. If they have military experience, that is normally a plus for me, but certainly not a requirement. I did resent Barons' criticism of Hawley whenever Hawley did soemthing for veterans, as I resented his name calling and attacks on physical appearance.
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John, your inflated characterization of criticism aimed at my opponent- one flippant remark about Steve's physique resembling Albany budget growth does not warrant use of the plural. I bet Steve wishes you'd quit reminding him of it. And I SHOULD question the relevancy of Steve's Capitol tour buses when only 13 percent of returning veterans describe their transitions home from deployment as "going well."
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With the current mess our state and nation are in, it is my opinion that we not vote for any one with any political experience, the only thing the incubents have to show for is the current state of chaos in Albany. I will personally be looking for more candidates like CM.
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Steve earned the moniker, Hypocrite Hawley, when he went back on his commitments to lower taxes, ending earmarks and unfunded mandates. He voted against capping property taxes, he spends his discretionary account just like the rest and cosponsored a bill that imposes the cost of ignition interlocks on local government in lieu of the convicted.
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Qualifications matter alot...Thats how i will deciede how to vote,,,I need to see some kind of record a person has who is running for such a big office...Dog catcher is one thing. State Assembly is a whole different thing..Running a one man Audio business doesn't show me he his ready for the Albany challenge...Would like to see CM run for county legislator first..See what kind of change he can bring there..It should be alot easier to do that..Howard I think thats what John and Charlie mean.CM does seem to burn through alot of jobs,not staying at any one to long..
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Bum through alot of jobs?????? I was at Elba Central School for nearly 30 years until laid off in 2005! You should look at the overlap- I was working two and three jobs at a time.
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You right CM read that wrong...my bad....At least we all know you are reading this site alot...
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Charlie "Why not try to convince someone that my litmus test is the most important factor? " Charlie, you can't have it both ways. You can't make a statement and then when it's challenged back down to, "it's just a personal choice," and then come back and say, "yeah I want to push that idea." If it's a personal choice, I've nothing to say about it. If you're pushing an agenda, then damn straight I'm going to call you on it. If it's a personal choice, fine. I'm done with it. But if it's pushing an agenda, then my position is it's an agenda that doesn't serve democracy well. Which is it? Mark, the path you're proposing for C.M. is the path of a career politician. If you want to break out of career politician gridlock, then such expectations are counterproductive. However, I don't find much of an advantage in Barons running as a "citizen legislator," since Hawley himself can very credibly make that claim, being a person who comes home when he's not in session and runs his own local business -- the only member of the Assembly, I believe, who can make that claim. C.M., can you point to a specific statement where Steve Hawley made a commitment to lower taxes? When, where and how did he go back on it? Specifics, please. And keep in mind, if you're going to go after Hawley on such an issue, you open a can of worms on yourself to explain how you will keep your commitments as a member of neither party, should you be elected. Further, in going after Hawley on this issue, it sounds like you believe in lowering taxes. Are making a commitment to lower taxes? P.S.: Nice to see you in comments again, and not just because I run this site. I believe it's a good move.
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CM, Transitioning veterans coming home has been and still is a Federal responsibility, which they have often failed at. The state provides other services and maybe you should learn that (the learning curve). And, as a surprise to you, the vets he has tried to help go as back as WW II. You also still fail to state without a doubt that it is Democrats now raising taxes in Albany. You not only want to join them, but you support the idea of at least one tax that should be raised. And you say Hawley went back on his commitment to lower taxes. Which tax did he vote against lowering? And, which tax did Hawley vote to increase? As for the property tax cap, which I support, the majority party Democrats in the Assembly have killed that. Do you promise not to spend any earmark money given to you? You will not support any state money going from your office to any local group or local governemnt, for any reason, as you critize Hawley for doing?
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Howard, Just a note; Assemblyman Dan Burling also comes home to run his business in Corfu. He owns the pharmacy there.
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Howard, your rational makes no sense to me. There is nothing wrong with taking stand based on my personal political opinion and sharing that with other people in the hopes they agree with me. You seem to be reading a lot more into this. CM, again what’s with the name calling? How do we get passed the low brow comments and discuss the other issues you placed below it?
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CM, By the way, what is your problem with Steve Hawley raising private money so that WW II vets could go to DC by bus and see the World War II memorial before they die? No public money was used, so what's the problem?
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Charlie, if there's nothing wrong with it, why did you retreat into "it's a personal choice" instead of defending your position? If it's a position you're advocating, then you should have no problem defending it rather than acting like I shouldn't be in a position of arguing against it.
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Howard, that wasn’t a retreat, I was just stating the obvious.
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This is how I see your arguement, Charlie: I want to eat/drink/smoke/vote for (insert something you like) everyday. I like it so much that I think everyone else should do the same. Why, you ask? Because it's good for you! What? Some people think it's not good? Well then, it's my personal choice. MY personal choice is I don't like where we are and am even more afraid of where we are headed. The only way to fix things is to change things. Has anyone ever seen something that was broken get fixed just by keeping everything the same?
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Angela, I agree. Stated another way...If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got. I stated months ago that my policy for New York state elections this fall was going to be to vote against *ANY* incumbent. I also stated at that time that while some might characterize this as a stupid position, that it is MY stupid position. This state is going to hell in a handbasket and to think that massive systemic change is not necessary is to put one's head in the sand. If Chris Barons is the beneficiary of this need for change then so be it. If he is fortunate enough to be elected and in the ensuing two years nothing changes then guess what? He's going to be at risk. SOMETHING has to change. If every single seat in the legislature turned over, does anyone believe that things could be any worse than they are now?
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John -- Number 2 on Andrew Cuomo's 5 Step Plan for a New NY "We must get our State’s fiscal house in order by immediately imposing a cap on state spending and freezing salaries of state public employees as part of a one-year emergency financial plan, committing to no increase in personal or corporate income taxes or sales taxes and imposing a local property tax cap. We must also eliminate mandates that make it impossible for school districts and localities to contain costs." From what I'm reading, hearing, and seeing, there will be a lot of changes in Albany in the next couple of years. Gosh John, from everything you're posting here about state issues it sounds to me like you're already an Andrew Cuomo supporter. I would be glad to sign you up on the support list. http://www.andrewcuomo.com/issues_and_agenda
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Lorie, I do think that if Andrew Cuomo is not like his father, he'll be good. But, he's the poster child for a career politician, right, so based on some posts today, he should not get elected. And Cuomo having a plan does not mean the Assembly or Senate will let him get it into law. But it will be a great fight. However, Cuomo is not the subject here, is he?
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I agree many changes are needed in Albany. I just get disgusted that year after year, people gripe but they don't bother to vote. Compared with many other countries, the U.S. is anemic when it comes to ballot casting. Maybe we've become too lazy, complacent and feel we're entitled to enjoy the American Way because we've been Top Banana for so long. I think people need to look at the huge global economic shifts people on this site have spoken of and realize that apathy does not bode well for democracy or keeping our Superpower status.
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John, I recall over on the first page of this discussion, you did indeed mention Cuomo. Re read your comments. You also mentioned in another comment the property tax cap. Just trying to get you to admit you actually ARE an Andrew Cuomo supporter.
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I am sad to say it but, if you don't want more of the "same" you better not give the same old Democratic leadership in this state another head count. You have got to be drinking a lot of cool-aid if your thinking Cuomo = Change. He is more of the same and a HUGE insider. That's the problem I have with this throw the bums out mentality I see. You better be sure your voting for change.
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Lorie, I said before, I believe Cuomo will get elected. but right now I am not excited over any of the candidates for Governor. By the way, did you notice in his plan that he did not come out against fee increases or targeted taxes like the one CM supports? Will you admit he is a career politician?
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I was satisfied when it was just Howard and Charlie gittin' down and kickin' each others arses. But, this is even better...new names and Billie too. I can't vote there, so I won't. Just like most other people who could, won't. I will tell you this CM, my mom was never more impressed than when Barber Conable walked up on her porch and asked for her vote. Door to door sucks but it's hard to say no unless they already have their mind made up. These days they call it a grassroots effort, back then they called it shoe leather campaigning. It pays big dividends in small districts. You'll have to take my word on that, or not.
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Here is another example CM. My dad worked for Gerber Baby Food and was in Lockport when JFK came though on the train. My dad said he shook his hand and I'm almost sure he did, but so what if he didn't. He told the story a hundred times and being a ten year old kid I told it a thousand times with lots of embellishment. Don't you embellish but encourage everyone else to make you sound like the second coming. More unsolicited advice from a guy with some experience in these regards.
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John, will you admit that you ask people to admit to things way too much and that your rude demands for people to admit to any and all of your whims is old and stale? Go ahead admit it. And I will answer your question with this -- you are not the boss of me.
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John Roach? Were you in Miss Horgan's third grade class with me and a bunch of other future reprobates, or am I thinking of someone else? I know you'll be back here, if you are him. They always return to the scene of the crime. The Batavian comments section amuses the hell out of me, even when I post stupid stuff that I delete the next day. Possibly this.
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Lorie, You posted me, not the other way around. While I know it was in jest, you asked me to admit I support Cuomo. And it was your idea I read the link you posted (I had seen it before). So, I ask you a very pointed question, as the Democrat County Chairperson, I knew it put you on the spot. Asking questions of people pushing an agenda is not rude, just uncomfortable for you.
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George, No, I went to school in Erie County.
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It was in jest John. I was being facetious. Although I do think that your tone of questioning is demanding and annoying. You might try nice once in a while. John, not on the spot at all. I don't control, nor do I want to control any candidate's platform. CM obviously appealed to the committee as he received a unanimous endorsement vote. While I'm quite sure that not everyone agreed on every specific, he appealed on a majority of discussed topics and answered a myriad of questions for well over an hour. My job, therefore is to support the committees choice. Every public servant and candidate for public office has his or her own ideas for governing. If there wasn't differences in governing philosophies we could just put an end to all this voting and the checks and balances that give us these discussions to argue over and go to a dictatorship.
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Lorie, One thread today with supporters for CM, was wanting no more career politicians, which is very understandable. And, Andrew Cuomo, like it or not, is a career politician. I don’t think anything is wrong with that and I think there should be a balance in government between them and people with other backgrounds. But if I ask you if you think Cuomo’s a career politician, you say that is rude. Putting the party chairwoman on the spot is not rude, just uncomfortable. Did you really think you could push your guy (Cuomo) and not get a little bit of a challenge?
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I'm not uncomfortable at all, John. I just took a nice drive for ice cream and am feeling wonderful. I wasn't in the discussion on career politicians and don't have an opinion on it so your question is irrelevant to me. I like fresh faces -- I also like the experience and leadership that will come with the election of Andrew Cuomo. So how's that for an answer? Is it good enough for you or do you want me to admit anything more?
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John, the only non-career politician running for governor who I can think that might be on the ballot is racism- bestiality-promoting Paladino. Is that you are supporting?
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Howard, While Paladino adds a bit of interest to the election for governor, he's not going anywhere and I think most of us know it. Lazio just does not seem to be getting any traction after running for the job for years. I also have not seen any new ideas from him. I might vote for Cuomo, because he has the best chance of forcing Sheldon Silver to actually allow reform.
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Follow your best instinct on where to find Hawley's public positions on taxes, etc. Hint: he has a website!
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Our vets will not be failed or limited or treated seconds class; not on my watch, John Roach. You say, "Transitioning veterans coming home has been and still is a Federal responsibility, which they have often failed at." Veterans, regardless of age or conflict, will not risk their lives in service and find this state's doors shut to them.
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The following is a question I emailed CM based on his criticism of Steve Hawley's bus trips for vets. "What is the problem with Steve Hawley raising private money so that WW II vets could go to DC by bus and see the World War II memorial before they die? No public money was used, so what's the problem?" This is CM's answer. " have no problem with Steve Hawley's vet trips. I'm sure it's a treat for those who participate. I only contrast the bus trips with a veterans' issue that I feel needs to be addressed. Knowing parents of servicemen and women currently overseas, has increased my awareness of issues relative to the well-being of those on or returning from active duty." CM, you have attacked Hawley for his bus trips for vets more than once, now you have no problem with them, good. I never found the State's doors shut to vets now, but I have found that the federal government has let them down over and over. Can you give us an example of a State policy or service that lets them down? What would you do for them that the State is not doing now?

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