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Responding To Mike Wrona
After Alice Kryzan's primary victory on Tuesday, I went over to see what Mike Wrona had to say. After all, Wrona is a vocal Kryzan supporter and has criticized me for my support of Jon Powers in the past. What I discovered is that, even with his candidate winning, Mike Wrona still wants to divide us instead of unite us.
Wrona wrote a post that called Kryzan a "big winner" on Tuesday. He also decided to take jabs at myself and my friend Alan Bedenko, a fellow blogger and Jon Powers supporter. He also seemed to question whether or not we are progressive. I don't know how that does anyone any favors in this situation, but it's not exactly what you should be doing after your candidate wins a primary. Wrona also said that we fell for the "Iraq War veteran label." There is no "label" when you are a veteran. If you are a veteran, you ARE a veteran. It's not a label. It's an honor. Wrona also asserted in that post that the local party leadership in all seven counties picked Powers because of money and "form over substance." Actually, Wrona is wrong. The four rural counties backed Powers first and it was because he is genuine, listens to voters, is very approachable and personable and wanted to go to Washington to be our representative. He traveled every corner of this district early on and that didn't change throughout this campaign. So Wrona clearly does not understand why the party leadership backed Powers.
Wrona wrote another post about Kryzan getting the DCCC's backing. He started off the post by saying "better late than never." Better late than never? Why would the DCCC back a candidate who showed virtually no fundraising ability after being in the race since September 2007 (technically) and a candidate that was very quiet in this race until about a few weeks before the primary? I remember seeing Kryzan at an event in June. It was the Wyoming County Flag Day Party. I guess she had a few supporters there and that's where she stayed. I never saw her walk around the room to introduce herself. Whether it was a pro-Powers crowd or not, people still would have greeted her and treated her with respect.
In that same post, Wrona makes a blatantly false claim. He claims that Charlie Mallow, the current chair of the Genesee County Democrats, said he would be supporting Chris Lee in November. This is not true. What Charlie said is in this post on The Batavian. If you notice, there is an update in that post which reads, "Some will seek other options but, the vast majority will sooner or later support her before Election Day. We are Democrats; we have an ideology that puts us more in line with Kryzan than Lee."
That was his response after he was asked whether or not the county would run away from Kryzan in November. I guess Mike Wrona didn't like that answer so he decided to make up his own. That's unfortunate, especially when he also suggests that Charlie's county committee should act (Charlie has already said that he's not going to serve as county chair again) as well as the state party AND even the governor. Wrona sure went to great lengths to spread a lie.
I will always be a fan of Jon Powers and most importantly, a friend of Jon Powers. But I have never, EVER been a sore loser. I reached out to Alice's campaign Wednesday morning and sent along my congratulations. I have been in contact with them and they seem to be very receptive of rural support and maybe even some netroots support. This is not an easy time for me. I will honestly say that I'm not in Alice's corner yet, but she is a better option than the Republican and she is better than Jack Davis. I can't just throw away 14 months of support for Jon Powers in only a few days. It will take time to get over this tough loss and then refocus our attention on the key races in our state and in our area.
My suggestion to Mike Wrona would be to be more of a uniter and less of a divider. This isn't the first time he had posted fabrications on his blog about myself or someone I know. I usually tell Republicans that we can all have our opinions but we can't have our own version of the facts. I shouldn't be saying that to someone who touts himself as a progressive Democrat. If Mike Wrona wants his candidate to win, he needs to help Kryzan embrace others who were Powers supporters and Davis supporters. Kryzan won with 41 percent of the vote. That means a majority of Democrats in the 26th did not vote for her. She needs to appeal to these people. I don't think she wants one of her supporters saying the things Wrona has said. It does her a great disservice when she and her campaign are working hard to try and contact key people in this area, especially rural chairs like Mallow.
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Wasn't bush a uniter not a divider?
Country is still 50/50
Iraq War veteran label.
There is no "label" when you are a veteran. If you are a veteran, you ARE a veteran. It's not a label. It's an honor
You know very well what he means, dude.
"Actually, Wrona is wrong. The four rural counties backed Powers first and it was because he is genuine, listens to voters, is very approachable and personable and wanted to go to Washington to be our representative. He traveled every corner of this district early on and that didn't change throughout this campaign. So Wrona clearly does not understand why the party leadership backed Powers."
How does one opinion refute another? You don't know what made these people pick Powers
"is very approachable and personable"
That's weak
Genuine I'll give you if you are indeed a -close- friend of his but otherwise whatever
"Wrona is wrong"
that's clever, though.
"Why would the DCCC back a candidate who showed virtually no fundraising ability"
I personally don't see how this matters one bit
"I never saw her walk around the room to introduce herself. Whether it was a pro-Powers crowd or not, people still would have greeted her and treated her with respect"
OK. Point?
"Robert is a 22 year old blogger who himself has no experience in politics"
I don't see how this matters, either.
Experience doesn't make the politician
Experience turns the average politician a profiteer
Who invented cheese? An experienced cheese maker?
Experience ensures careers
"political expert"
I would really like this defined for me
I was one of the early supporters of Jon. It wasn't because he was an Iraq War veteran. It was because I talked to him, knew about his stances on the issues and saw him as the genuine leader he is. So claiming (like you have done in the past) that I am somehow a bandwagon fan of Jon Powers is another false claim. I guess I know why you don't allow comments on your blog. You can claim anything you want and no one can reply or provide a rebuttal.
And I don't get how attacking my character does any good in this situation. Yes, I'm 22. But I have been blogging about local, state and national politics since 2006 and this will be my third election working on a campaign or campaigns. I volunteered for Davis in 2006 and helped with my local races in Orleans County. I helped Jon and I plan on helping or are helping several Democrats in this region win their respective races. Also, saying I have never had a full-time job is a little hard, isn't it? After all, I left college in May and I will be finishing up my degree this fall. I have friends of mine who are still looking for jobs. After college, some find them and others don't. It's the luck of the draw. It's not exactly easy here in Western New York.
Also, my point about Kryzan and lawyers was that Kryzan has received a lot of support from lawyers. Yes, Powers did too, but Kryzan received a lot of support from Buffalo-area lawyers. I don't think that's a negative. It's just a statement of fact.
John LaFalce's endorsement had very little to no impact on this race. The impact was in the negativity of the race. Jack Davis spent a lot of money on smearing Jon Powers. I received mailer after mailer, saw ad after ad and at the end of the day, your average voter sees that and has their own view of Powers. I'm not the only person who thinks this. Powers was endorsed by a plethora of people, including John Kerry and Wesley Clark. Endorsements, I have learned, are rather meaningless unless that person who endorses you goes out on the trail to help you. LaFalce endorsed only days before the primary. The impact of that endorsement was minimal, at best. The long lasting negativity in this race was won it for Kryzan.
Your claims about the Powers campaign are so far off. You were never a Powers supporter and you went to great lengths yourself to make the same distortions others did about Jon Powers.
What I ask of you is decency. Your candidate won, correct? So why do you insist on approaching this situation with the same attack mode and lying that you engaged in before? I have been gracious to your cadidate since she was the victor. I don't think you need to disrespect Jon Powers any longer. I don't think you need to disrespect his supporters any longer.
If you think some sort of half-assed PUMAism will help Kryzan win against a Republican with a big funding and enrollment advantage, then keep up the good, divisive work. I certainly don't need you to inform me as to why I supported Powers.
On the other hand if you want the party to unify behind the nominee, then maybe extend a hand to shake instead of a finger to point.
Your comments here and on your own site have been nothing but shamefully insulting. Good luck with all that. I'll be sure to ask Alice and Anne whether they share your sentiments.
A County Democratic Party Chairman does not come out and publicly state that he would vote for a Republican candidate in a Congressional Race no matter what the reason.
As for Davis, he was the endorsed Democratic candidate in 2004 and 2006, does that mean Mallow voted for Reynolds twice?
Do you really want Powers supporters not to support Alice?
We're 36 percent of the primary vote, Alice needs at least half of us to push her over the top.
For the record, of course I'm voting for her and supporting her, but your not doing her campaign any favors by attacking people who supported Jon during the primary.
I saw in today's Buffalo News that she has been in Wasington DC. Next week she will get back on the campaign trail.
Alice Kryzan is one positive and smart woman. I look forward to seeing how she deals with this fence mending situation. I have no doubt that she will be very gracious and sincere.
You have a myopic view of this primary. You seem to think that my criticism of Powers is the problem.
You completely neglect the negative things that have come out of your side regarding her.
Shoving her win in everyone's face doesn't help matters, it makes everything much worse and it makes it harder for Powers supporters to come out and pull the lever for Alice.
Would that you were smart enough to do the same, Mike.
And your threat directed to me on your un-commentable site was so pathetic as to be downright laughable.
Kryzan is an unabashed liberal. God bless her for it. This is America and she can believe what she chooses. However, the 26th is no bastion of liberalism. Heck, a lot of the Dems. here are fairly conservative. With any luck, it will be an issues driven race. Like it or not, Lee's views are more in line with the district.
Let me tell you how our endorsements happened in Genesee County. The candidates came to visit the whole committee. We debated it; we argued the merits of each candidate. Then during a meeting OPEN to the press, we first voted to see if we are going to endorse. Then the WHOLE committee VOTED to endorse both candidates. I as chair did NOT pick Powers or Michele and then crown them.
Our endorsement is also just a recommendation as to who we thought would work the hardest for OUR county.
Why don’t you fill us in as to how the Republicans picked Lee?
I wouldn't have supported Davis if he won the primary either. I guess that makes me a bad Democrat.
Quit ignoring your lie about Mallow. He never said that he would vote for Lee over Kryzan. But what are the differences between Lee and Davis? Other than Jack giving his money to your fellow Erie County cohorts, not too much.
If the 26th isn't the "bastion of liberalism" then how will Chris Lee being pro-choice go over in this district?
By the way, only the "G" in "GLOW" endorsed Iannello since that is the only one of the rural counties in SD-61. And at least they endorsed and didn't show cowardice by not voting to endorse. By the way, if the rural counties got on the bandwagon too early, why did Jon Powers win the four rural counties?
Chris Lee is a millionaire. I don't know too many millionaires in the 26th district. Certainly there are some, but that's not representative of the whole.
Lee supports the Bush tax cuts which cut taxes for - who else - millionaires and billionaires so the middle class folks of this district have to pick up the tab. Lee also supports free trade, which is one of the key reasons why jobs have left this area.
Lee is just more of the same. He is two more years of Tom Reynolds.
The GOP can't deny this. It was highlighted in The Buffalo News that this was how they picked their candidate. They picked Lee (with Tom Reynolds' help) and that was it. And then Tom Reynolds put Chris Collins in his place because Collins wanted Rick Lewis - another millionaire - to be their guy.
In other words, the GOP didn't have a primary. Their seven chairs picked Lee. That's who the Republicans get. They can take it or leave it.
Why can't the Dems do the same thing?
Political parties are private organizations. Taxpayers should not foot the bill for them to decide who to run in an election. They can hold -- and pay for -- their own primaries, or their own caucuses at their own expense by their own rules. It shouldn't be anybody's business but their own.
Despite the financial costs of a primary, a primary gives the voters just what Democracy exists for, a choice. Neither of the candidates that I supported in the primary, Jon Powers and Michele Iannello won.
That being said the opportunity for voters to pick who represents their party really gives the voters a chance to define what their parties message and ideals should be. The Democrats are not dictatorial, we don't just say "here's your candidate that we think represents you," our parties committees say "here are the candidates, we may think this one is better than the rest, but make up your own mind on who best represents your values,".
Think of all the taxpayer dollars we could save if we didn't have elections. Then we don't need political parties at all.
But that would mean we would have to throw our democracy away. Someone has to lead this country right?
We could have a king. We could have someone who just happens to have the strongest posse (or army) to rule the land.
Or we could have someone in the mold of Adolf Hitler.
Now I know that this sounds extreme. But your thinking is flawed Howard. If we say that the existence of a primary election costs the taxpayers money, then we can say the whole electoral system costs the taxpayers money ergo we should get rid of the electoral system.
In a democracy, the people are supposed to rule. The Republican Party isn't saving the taxpayers money by having the seven chairs handpick their candidate. What they are doing is putting the "democracy" into their own hands and picking the candidate they think should be the candidate of the party. I don't think Chris Lee, should he have faced a primary against the other names being tossed around, would have won. He's not the most conservative of Republicans.
Also, should we not have publicly financed elections because that would cost taxpayers money? See how this rationale is flawed Howard? When it comes to the electoral process, taxpayer dollars should not matter. Elections are the greatest part of our democracy. A price tag should not be put on them. They should be carried out legally and fairly while giving every eligible citizen the right to decide who they want to lead their town, county, state and country.
Don’t you think Steve Hawley would have made a better State Senator? Did he even have a chance to run? How do you know Steve wouldn’t have been the better candidate for the Republicans?
Are the Republicans sending their best and brightest or are they giving us the person who would just play ball?
Jay Grasso's Pet Names For Politicians
1.) Steve "Steve-O" Hawley
(For the record, I like Steve Hawley and while we disagree on things, we certainly respect one another and want to see the 139th Assembly District grow.)
2.) Mike "Ranz" Ranzenhofer
I hope Alice Kryzan doesn't get elected. He'll call her AK47.
Primaries are the essence of democracy. That's why the Republicans think they are so "divisive." People actually have to vote, which can be a bad thing for our Republican friends nowadays.
Steve Hawley would have made a better state senator for this reason alone: He's already in Albany. He knows what's going on. Not that Ranzenhofer doesn't but serving as a county legislator is a lot different than being an assemblyman.
"Are the Republicans sending their best and brightest or are they giving us the person who would just play ball?"
The latter, which is why they are failing nationwide to elect their own candidates.
Political parties are private organizations. The government -- and tax payer money -- should not be involved in registering their voters or or selecting their candidates. Voter registration should totally be without party affiliation.
There is nothing undemocratic about it and it is completely a free market, free enterprise alternative.
It's a violation of privacy for the government to demand what party I chose to affiliate with (or not, in my case, as I'm completely unaligned), and why should my money be wasted on the GOP or the Dems or any other party picking which candidate will stand in a general election?
It makes no sense whatsoever.
It's not flawed at all because it makes perfect sense to have the general election conducted and supervised by the government.
Let the partisans fight it out amongst themselves and then bring to the general electorate whomever they think can best represent their interests.
The reason partisans of the GOP and Democratic parties don't like this solution is because they know it would weaken the two party system, enable more independents and third-party candidates to campaign on a more level playing field -- which is exactly why I like this idea.
Let's be clear about this: Political parties are NOT government institutions. They're no different from the Lions or the Rotary, and the government doesn't conduct Rotary elections, so why should the government conduct GOP elections? Or maybe you think the government should manage and fund the next election of the board of directors for General Electric or General Motors or IBM? Why do the GOP and Dems get special treatment over other private groups that select their own leaders?
It's an absolute fallacy to jump from "primaries should be private" to any notion that general elections shouldn't be run by the government. That is an absolutely flawed connection. There is no connection there whatsoever.
I also said if the GOP or the Dems would prefer a caucus over a primary, that's the right of those parties. If the Dems pick "caucus" and a bunch of people don't like it, they can change parties or drop out. That's voting, too. That's the market place.
Each party can pick it's candidates how it likes -- primary, caucus or smoke-filled room. I really don't care. Just don't make me pay for it.
That is far more democratic, free-market, American than the current system.
No wonder we don't support your candidate.
As you should know, Davis refused to even come out here and speak with anyone.
Perhaps we have faith in our Chairman to select the best candidate. If a Republican candidate had wanted to run a primary, they could have. No one chose to. That is also democracy.
Once again, if a Repub. had gotten signatures and ran, there would have been a primary. No one stepped up. I am quite happy with our candidates.
Mr. Harding; the Buffalo Bean comes down pretty hard on you today. Your Chris Lee rebukes are pretty much dem talking points. Same old class envy.
Yes, clearly my comments were "inappropriate and immature." Actually, they were a joke. What, can't take a joke Jerome? I was just busting your chops. Take it easy. Don't take things to seriously, Jerome. Life is too short to take things so seriously. You call them "nasty comments." I call them picking fun. Learn how to take a joke Jerome. One of these days you will lose a race of your own and you will need to have a sense of humor to fall back on.
I'm not annoyed at all. I don't think a Genesee County legislator qualifies as a psychologist, so take it easy. I am happy. Barack Obama will be president. We will have the New York State Senate in January. I am very upbeat. So my congressional candidate didn't win. Big deal. He and I are great friends as a result. Sometimes friendships mean more than politics. Sometimes...
Don't be so serious Jerome. I understand that you might not get the joke because sometimes jokes are misunderstood on blogs or in print. Just relax. No one is attacking you or being nasty. Just calm down, sit back and smile.
That's what I'm doing. And believe me, my smile is big.
I'm glad that Matt over at Buffalo Bean decided to take time to write about me. I won't be returning the favor. You might call my writings "dem talking points" but Matt replied with Republican talking points.
And yes, I know who Buffalo Bean is. Colonelrustyshacklefordii over at Water Buffalo Press? Know him too. You would be amazed that conservative bloggers would be talking to me, but sometimes such discussion is necessary.
I seem to remember how upset the local Batavia GOP chair got when Bill Cox had the nerve to force a GOP primary for City Council. He made it clear that Cox could not be a good party member for bucking the party pick.
I know that is just the city GOP, but you have to admit, it didn't make your party look good.
I WILL KEEP QUIET AND JUST SIT BACK AND WATCH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY JUST GIVE ME MORE OF THE SAME.
WHERES RON PAUL WHEN WE NEED HIM.OHHH THE PROPAGANDA MEDIA OUTCASTED HIM FROM THE ELECTION.
LOOKS LIKE ANOTHER 4 YEARS OF THE SAME.
TO SUM IT UP.LETS JUST BRING HOME THE TROOPS. AND THAT INCLUDES THE 30 THOUSAND THAT HAVE BEEN IN KOREA FOR MY ENTIRE LIFETIME.SHEDGUYS STILL LOOKING FOR A REAL LEADER FOR THIS MESS OF A COUNTRY.
True, someday I will lose a race. Life will go on. Remember I beat a roughly 26 year incumbent Dem to get here. How do you know I dont have a psych degree!?
My skin is quite thick thank you. A police career, small business ownership, three kids to raise, etc. will toughen you up some. Compared to what I have seen, no web site could get me rattled. This is known as actual life experience!
Dont be so sure about the fall elections. Obama is no shoe in. You were pretty sure Powers would win. Nor is Mesi a shoe in. I am also not so sure about a liberal, wealthy, environmental lawyer for that matter.
It must stink to have a boring candidate(s) and nothing to do except suckle on the teat of the corrupt, do-nothing Independence line all summer.
Chris Lee's biggest qualifications for office are hair and self-funding.
Who's being negative now?
Is someone just cranky that the RNCC is being outraised and outspent by the DCCC, thus increasing the chances of Democratic pickups all over the country, including right here in NY 26?
Mr.Jones: Not being cranky or negative. That was Harding. The huge national Dem pick up is looking smaller and smaller everyday. They will make gains, but will not be (McCain!)veto proof. Unlikely it will happen in the 26th. Then again Kryzan is kind of wealthy, maybe she can spend her own money!
I have been amused with all this banter and YES it is cool to have you join in. I tend to be banter-proof and do not take too much to heart. I am a big believer that you have your place on here...nice to meet with the other side from time to time...often we do speak the same language just different ideas. Can you do me one favor...please remember that no matter what happens, the sun will rise tomorrow and it will be just another day no matter what happens politically (Unless of course McCain wins and then we have an increase in Global Warming.....LOL.....just kidding......).
Anyway...glad you are here.
Pat
My father once told me, "Where ignorance is bliss 'tis folly to be wise." I will leave it at that.
New York controlled by downstate interests? Where is the Republican Senate Majority Leader from again?
What's that island called?
It's the opposite of short?
And if I remember correctly, it's part of downstate New York?
I just can't remember it. Remind me Mr. Grasso.
By the way, a lot of the unions have backed Republicans. Just look at the disclosure reports for a lot of Republican incumbents in the Senate. In this state, the unions back the incumbents in most cases. The Republicans, especially under Joe Bruno, benefited from this.
Unfunded mandates are a problem, but there is also spending on a county level that needs to be watched. I heard my legislators (all Republicans in 2007) say before election time all of the usual lines about unfunded mandates. The problem is that there are also other factors that go into a county's budget that need to be looked at more closely.
The state won't lose because the Republicans lose. I wouldn't say that if the Democrats were to lose either. Putting the Republicans up on such a pedestal is ridiculous. The state wins when we can work together to find solutions to the most pressing issues of our day, namely property taxes and the rising cost of health care. Those are issues that haven't been addressed. One part of that is the Republican Senate. Another part of that is the "three men in a room" system that puts three men before the state's democracy.
Mr Harding: you have a lot of theory but only a little practical experience. 80% (or better) of county budgets are state mandates. So instead of three men in a room, we will have three Dems. in a room. Lots of checks and balances there. Perhaps New York will become a socialist Mecca! Your father had good advice. Instead of sharing it, follow it. You have not lived enough to give life advice. You have little tolerance for other ideas. That works in a classroom or on a blog. Not in the real world. Do not take this wrong, but a family, a job, and a mortgage are the real world experiences that you lack. Less sarcasm and a little tolerance on your part will get you further with people.
Only, they're better at denying it.
The sour grapes line - that's so old, Mr. Grasso, whoever you are.
Anyway, it is true that about 80 percent of budgets are state mandates, but during the Pataki years where the Republicans controlled 2 out of 3 of the branches of the State government they weren't much better.
Mr. Grasso, you have lost the policy argument and now are getting very personal, I have to wonder why....I don't see anyone else from either perspective engage in attacking someone because of their age.
Should Conor Flynn (whom I've had a few arguments with in the past on this website) not debate? He's a young guy, he doesn't have a house or a mortgage, should his opinion be wholly irrelevant for that very reason? He's a Republican Jay, he probably agrees with you on most issues, but is he unqualified from making statements on the issues?
I'll bring up something that you said earlier, just because your losing the debate, don't get cranky! I'm smiling pretty wide....man do I love democracy.
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“I believe Kryzan can do it. But she HAS to do it. You can't just expect us to fall in line because you are the nominee. There is a reason we supported Jon. We want to see the reasons why we should support you.”
This is an example of a 22 year old who got all passionate about one candidate while not bothering to learn anything about the other candidates. He knows nothing of what Alice Kryzan represents and says, yet he decided not to support her. Then he goes all over the internet pushing his candidate based on ignorance of the opposition. He simply jumped on the “Vote for me, I'm an Iraq Veteran bandwagon.”.
Robert is a 22 year old blogger who himself has no experience in politics and hasn't even had a fulltime job, just like Jon Powers, but, wants to be considered a political expert. You judge if the young man knows anything of what he speak and writes.. This was Robert's response to the endorsement of Alice Kryzan by Congressman John LaFalce.
“LaFalce, like Kryzan, is a lawyer. The top industry that has given to Kryzan? Lawyers and law firms. Kryzan has received a lot of support from the Buffalo-area legal community. So LaFalce backing her isn't surprising.”
That's interesting. One of Jon Powers PAC supporters was the Philadelphia (not located in the 26th Congressional District) law firm Wolf Block PAC. Robert isn't aware of this because he has never looked. Powers has received over $100,000 from attorney's including lawyer's employed by Cellion & Barnes, Mintz Levin (Boston MA), Collins and Maxwell, Sampson Thatcher, Paul William Belz, Bengart & DeMarco, Tighe Patton Armstrong Teasdeal, Black Mann & Gramm, Boies Shiller & Flexner, Dechert LLP, etc. Why go on?
“Rolling out this endorsement five days beforehand reduces its impact, I would contend. It's one thing if you had a plethora of other endorsements like Jon Powers has. It's another thing when you are struggling from behind and an endorsement like this could give you a lift. Maybe LaFalce just decided on this. But this could have been a difference-maker for Kryzan months ago. Now? It's impact might be minimal, at best. “
Robert, Powers lost, Kryzan won, did the LaFalce endorsement help? You may remain the only person who doesn't think so.
I stand by my criticism of both he and Alan Bedenko. The Powers campaign was based on the celebrity of a candidate who outside of his military service, which ended for years ago had a thin resume. He sold War Kids Relief as a great thing, then bailed when he didn't get government support. There are plenty of charities that don't get federal funds and are successful, I.e. Kids Escaping Drugs. Apparently this was a cash cow or nothing venture. Then he regularly identified himself as a teacher who shaped young minds and yet was only in the classroom for 8 or less school days over a 3 year period and even let his Teacher Certification expire. Finally, he told the Amherst Democrats he became a Democrat after he left the service andot because he thought the idea of war in Iraq was wrong, It was because he didn't like the way the administration was handling the war. Big, big difference.
So, I see no reason to change my attitude. The only Democrat and stable candidate won the race.
For those who are of a mind, Alice Kryzan's web page is http://www.kryzanforcongress.com/.
Mike Wrona
Buffalo 14228