Ok, so let me get this straight. New York State is being forced to purchase new plates, at $25 a piece, but not New York City? Also does this mean that we will have to also purchase plates for our boat trailers, and campers?
What a racket.. Lets see, a camper, 2 vechicles, 2 boat trailers, and a hauling trailer..$150.00. Far cry from $25 Governor Pattinhispocketson-<a href="http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/Free-Jumping-Smileys/" title="Jumping Smileys"><img src="http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/lol-060.gif" alt="Jumping Smileys" border="0"></a>. Its highway robbery, and is it legal to only make part of NYS do this? Anyone..
The plates are ugly, and will stand out like a soar thumb. (in my opinion)
DMV COMMISSIONER UNVEILS NEW EMPIRE GOLD LICENSE PLATES
New Plate Will Improve Highway Safety and Generate Needed Revenue
New York State Commissioner of Motor Vehicles and Chair of the Governor's Traffic Safety Committee David J. Swarts today unveiled the "Empire Gold" license plate which will be issued to most vehicles registered in the state beginning in April, 2010.
"The bold colors of the new license plate reflect New York's force and its resilience," said Commissioner Swarts. "These new plates, in the official colors of the State of New York, will help maintain highway safety, reduce the number of unregistered and uninsured vehicles on our roads, and generate $129 million in General Fund revenue over two years, which will help address the State's financial crisis."
The new plate is gold in color with dark blue letters and numbers in the central part of the plate, separated by a small dark blue state silhouette. There is a dark blue banner across the length of the top of the plate, with "New York" printed in gold in the center. "Empire State" is in dark blue letters across the bottom.
State Police Superintendent Harry J. Corbitt said, "License plates are a fundamental tool of law enforcement that has been enhanced in recent years through a variety of technologies that improve their readability, especially under low light conditions. The State Police has worked cooperatively with DMV to ensure that the new plates will continue to serve the law enforcement community effectively."
Periodically re-issuing plates is important for overall safety, law enforcement and the general integrity of the plate. License plate visibility tends to decrease as license plates lose their reflectivity and become marred and damaged from use. The legibility and reflectivity of the current Empire plate, which was issued beginning in 2001, was only guaranteed for up to 5 years. Current plates will have been in use for 10-11 years by the time they are replaced by the new Empire Gold plates.
"This project will benefit law enforcement efforts, and therefore enhance public safety, in several ways," said Denise E. O'Donnell, Deputy Secretary for Public Safety and Commissioner of the New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services. "For instance, nearly 300 police agencies in New York State are currently deploying approximately 500 computerized license plate readers (LPRs) that enable authorities to quickly identify vehicles that have been stolen or used in a crime. These new plates will ensure that the LPRs are as effective as possible."
Periodic re-issuance also helps to ensure compliance with motor vehicle registration and insurance requirements. As new plates are issued, motorists that are driving with suspended or revoked registrations become more conspicuous.
"By helping to reduce the number of uninsured motorists, the new Empire Gold plates will help keep auto insurance costs down for all New Yorkers during these difficult economic times," said New York State Superintendent of Insurance James J. Wrynn.
DMV will begin issuing the new plates for registration renewals that expire in May 2010. Customers renewing their vehicle registrations in person in a DMV office, over the phone, by mail or through the Internet, will receive their new Empire Gold plates in the mail. Customers completing an original over-the-counter registration transaction will receive their plates immediately. The replacement will take place as part of scheduled vehicle registration and renewal and will take two years to complete. There are currently 12 million registered vehicles in New York State.
A plate fee of $25.00 will be added to the registration renewal fee. Single plate registrations (e.g. motorcycles) will be charged a plate fee of $12.50. Motorists registered in the Passenger (PAS), Commercial (COM), Motorcycle (MOT) or Trailer (TRL) registration classes will have the option to keep their current plate number/letter combination. Those with vehicles registered in other classes may also have this option. The registration renewal invitation will tell motorists if this option is available. Those choosing to keep their current plate number/letter combination on the new Empire Gold plate will be required to pay a $20.00 fee. Those motorists holding a personalized plate will automatically be re-issued the same number/letter combination on their new plate. Because they currently pay an annual personalized plate fee, they will not be required to pay the $20.00 fee. Most plates with the New York skyline banner across the top of the plate will begin to be replaced by the new Empire Gold plate in April. Custom picture plates will be replaced at a later date. The DMV will also be electronically sharing updated plate number information with EZ-Pass so that motorists who participate in that program will not have to do so.
Additional information on the new license plates can be found by visiting the Department of Motor Vehicles website at www.nysdmv.com.
you own all that and you are worried about new plates-- how about those with only one vehicle and on a fixed budget-- be grateful you have what you have
"you own all that and you are worried about new plates-- how about those with only one vehicle and on a fixed budget-- be grateful you have what you have"
I'm very grateful for what I have but I still have a right to speak against something I don't agree with. This will take from my pockets just like everyone else.
From Karen: "I'm releived its an option to have to change the plates on the trailers, and camper."
It's not an option to keep the same plate. (mistake taken by alot of New Yorkers)It's a $20.00 ADDITIONAL FEE to keep the same PLATE NUMBER. So you will pay the new plate fee of $25.00 (or $12.50 for campers, motorcycles, ATV's) PLUS an additional $20.00 fee to keep the same plate NUMBER.
That's where they are getting you.
Make sure everyone is reading this very carefully. We will not, for any reason, keep the plates we currently have. They are making EVERYONE get the new plates, you just need to decide if you want to pay only the intial $25.00 to get a new plate number or if you, in total, want to pay $45.00 for new plates with the same plate number you have now.
Karen - I think there is some misunderstanding regarding NYC. They have to also get the new plates. The point that Steve Hawley made is that since most NYC residents don't drive, this affects the rest of us more than them.
Morning Beth, how about all the Taxi's and Limo's in NYC. I'm sure they will have to pay the fee's. Steve is right, their are alot of people in NYC that dont drive, but also alot that do. Its a big city. Thanks for your insight girls. Have a Blessed Day!
The issue is the budget- not license plates. Hawley is raising a fuss over a non-issue to avoid the immediate problem. We have a budget gap. We either have to cut expenses or raise revenue. The chicken-sh*t politicians are afraid to do either. Instead of fixing the problem and p*ssing-off some special interest groups; they will do nothing and make alot of noise doing it to avoid being labelled, "tax-raiser" or "school-closer." Paterson doesn't deserve to be demonized. He proposed cuts months ago; the legislature gave a thumbs-down.
The safey angle is just a joke. This is about money. Hey here's a thought! If you don't have enough money to pay your bills....REDUCE your bills!!!
I don't care what they look like! I am already paying $100 to re-register my cars which are the same as they were LAST YEAR! Now I have to pay another $50 to get these plates because this state has no idea how to budget anything!
Your logic defies me. Hawley is my rep. I squawk when my rep doesn't do what he should. If all the so-called little guys did what they should instead of waiting for the the guys "in control" to tell them what to do... We'd have an effective legislature instead of the embarrassment that exists now.
Unfortunately Governor Paterson has the toughest of jobs dealing with a budget short fall and a fiscal crisis that he inherited.
Whether this is a revenue generator or just time for a tag change, or both, from the DMV press release it seems to be a request from law enforcement, too.
I would like to ask Assemblyman Hawley what he <b>is</b> in favor of cutting or where he would find the revenue to make up the shortfall. The governor's office was held by Pataki for the 12 years leading up to this crisis and the state senate was controlled by the republicans for 40 years prior to last year. NY State spending is not the result of one party, but it now seems to rest solely on Paterson to correct. Pretty daunting task for one person.
I observed, from my last visit to Manhattan, that there are lots of cars and taxi's that would need plates, so I agree with Karen and Beth and think that the upstate-downstate divide is just a big red herring. I actually would guess there are way more vehicles on the road in Manhattan in one day than in probably an entire year in the 139th assembly district.
Being in the Assembly as long as Hawley has, with the list of accomplishments topped by organizing bus excursions and securing a grant for xmas lights is pretty lame.
Regardless of who is in office right now or how long they have been there, this budget process is broken.
We spend way too much money in this state. It is time to start making hard choices and reduce the size of the government across the board!
No one wants to tackle that though! The cuts that have been proposed don't even come close to the amount of "Fee" increases that have been proposed. Both Parties have failed in Albany, miserably.
I actually would guess there are way more vehicles on the road in Manhattan in one day than in probably an entire year in the 139th assembly district.
One day in Manahattan vs. 365 days in AD 139. Hmmmm... I think that may be a bit exaggerated. Remember, the NYS thruway and I-490 run through this district, as well as a lot of state highways. 1 day in Gotham vs. 365 days in WNY?? My guess is WNY.
I actually would guess there are way more vehicles on the road in Manhattan in one day than in probably an entire year in the 139th assembly district.
One day in Manahattan vs. 365 days in AD 139. Hmmmm... I think that may be a bit exaggerated. Remember, the NYS thruway and I-490 run through this district, as well as a lot of state highways. 1 day in Gotham vs. 365 days in WNY?? My guess is WNY.
I'd agree with you if Mr. Hawley was currently busy introducing legislation to back up the ideas he recently put in the Daily, but he's not.
Gov. Patterson (love him or hate him) begged the Assembly and the Senate last week to come up with cuts to shrink our deficit, they did not comply. Assemblyman Hawley should have been hard at work implementing his ideas instead of writing letters to the editor and doing his best to placate the district. It's one thing to talk about an idea, it's quite another to put your nose to the grindstone and make it happen.
Hawley's recently sponsored bills can be found here:
Phil I agree with you. What gets me the most angry, is that the state is going to make the most cuts in education and schools. Couldn't they make cuts elsewhere? Our kids are our future, and deserve the best education that NYS can offer, not to be put at the bottom of the list of the states priorities. How about they make cuts, in what the taxpayers pay these bigwigs, for screwing up the economy. In my opinion they arent worth a penny, if they cant do the job they have been given.
Lori, You are a true democrate . Beleive in everthing that your party backs and never support a republican no matter if it is the right thing to do or not. That is why Mallow left and went back to being an independent . I wish more would leave both parties and go Independent , then we will hear people's true feelings on politics.
When you have art teachers ordering more supplies based on budget dollers than on needs , we have a problem . Do we really need three years of paint supplies just so we fullfill or department budget , to get the same or even more budget monies for the fowlowing year . If the individule budget departments don't spend the allocated money in the current year than they won't get that much the next year . The problem is with the individule school districts themselves .If the state cuts money from the budget , then districts cut support staff but they don't trim department budgets .
At the end of the school year , department chair person finds out how much money they have left to spend in the department budget and then go on a spending spree for supplies and equipment not based on need .
So , yes we need to trim education budgets at the district level and that will create less need of state funds and lower our taxes for schools
I have lived in NY State, County of Genesee, Oakfield, for all of my life - over 60 years. I like it here, and have always liked living here.
For the first time in my life I am considering moving out of state. Why? Incredibly poor judgment on the part of both major political parties that is leading to ever higher taxes and fees. Have you ever considered what you really pay in taxes? That would include: property, income, sales, licenses (auto, boat, dog, hunting, fishing, etc.), telephone, heating, electric, Thruway tolls, bridge tolls, . . .
If the Republicrats could figure out a way to meter your air intake they would tax the air we breathe.
In Lori’s defense, it is her job to blindly support Democrats. The system is setup in a way that she has to support the party agenda whether she personally believes it or not. If she stops being vocal we are stuck with one party rule.
The two party system is broke beyond repair. Both parties play games and undercut each other to the determinate of all of us. The problem is individual voters like to talk about generalized cuts but, in the end will fight any cut that is proposed. People want things for nothing and until we abandon the two party system we are doomed.
So, cuts to education is bad. Cutting funding to the arts and science is bad. Cutting funding to medicare/medicaid is bad. Cutting positions at prisons and hospitals are bad.
So what would you cut? The politicians are definitely not going to vote for a pay reduction. We can't cut these programs, because then people whine. They whine when their funding doesn't increase, and then they whine when all their dreams come true for their program but taxes increase. You cannot have a lot of highly funded programs and low taxes. It's like, if you lose your job you don't go out and spend more money than you have been.
Cuts need to be made, but no one is willing to see that happen. Employment is down, so income taxes are down. Raising taxes while people are unemployed means those people have less to live on and may have to rely on other government programs, which are being threatened to be cut. And then, with these cuts they don't cut mandated programs, ok, so the state wants, say, $160,000 from each school district, however a lot of the state money goes towards state mandated programs. So, this money they want back means some program still needs to be funded, so next year the school district raises taxes. The deficit just keeps getting placed in smaller and smaller pockets, and you, the tax payer, gets to pay for it over and over and over.
Want the high taxes to end? Do research, find programs you want cut and wouldn't whine about, and write your representatives. Not that it'll do any good.
Lorie,
Democrats have been in TOTAL charge of Albany now for 3 years. This is their mess. The "I inherited it" stuff is a bit old.
After 3 years, own up, stand up. Right now Patterson has Democrats who refuse to do anything.
The Republicans didn't do much when they controled the Senate, true. But when Democrats are in control for this long, you are at fault. And when we were in trouble, Patterson raised spending and taxes this year. That was beyond stupid.
Charlie , Thanks for the input about Lori . You do make great points . The average once in a while reader doesn't know her connection to the Democrats , so they are thinking it is unbiased oppinion of her's when indeed it is not . Lori , (now that you are gone from the party) is their biggest asset . I just don't like how political all the comments are .
In fact this web site might implode do to how political it is . Not sure how well this web site would do without politics , and yet it might also destroy it .
Hey ,That even sounds political . LOL i don't want to offend anyone but that is my opinion .
If councilman (the leaker)Bialkowski is reading , then don't read this because you don't care what I have to sat because I am not a Dem . Or a Rep.
The problem is that there are Inefficiencies every where in this state! The is no area that could find ways to cut 5%! Do you realize how much that would be?!?!?
I am a huge supporter of education, but education is riddled with mandated programs that keep the costs very high! Take off a lot of those mandates and I'm pretty sure that you could save some serious money.
That's the point really. There are always ways to save money, but those in power have "taken the envelope" from their lobbyists and special interests groups. They are all more concerned with getting voted out of office then they are doing the job why they are there!
The two party system is a joke. Anyone who can honestly tell me that we are better off with Democrats running the show, is just silly. BOTH parties have failed us. They are more interested in "winning" then they are doing what is right!
Phil, You are absolutly right about the mandated programs . Here is one that could potentially save districts a ton of money without altering education . Lower the mandated fresh air policy fror for schools classrooms. There is a mandate that requires a certain percentage of fresh air to every classroom . When it is zero out , do we really need 25% fresh air pumped into each classroom and could you afford to do this at your house ? If someone could do the homework , I would bet we could lower our heating cost per school by 15% and times that by the number of schools there are . Now thats saving money!!
John-Actually, Democrats have had 'total control' only for around 11 months, for a month of that time the Republicans, aided by 2 rogue Democrats, pulled a childish political stunt that almost brought state government to a total halt.
Things need to change in New York State for sure, we need to elect better leaders and reform state government, but to say that ALL of the blame falls on the Democrats shoulders is ridiculous. After all, up until 2007, the Republicans had control of 2/3 branches of the state government.
Because money grubber extraordinaire Gov Dave knows a free cash grab when he sees one. How else will we pay for his increased office staff, and his $2000 suits?
Thomas, save your breath when it comes to Bob. From what he says to the paper, if you are not a Democrat or Republican he could care less what you think.
Why does it surprise anyone that NYC would be exempt from another tax!? After all, they are the cause of most of our tax increases. We need to pay for all of the "Mooch-a-Meals" that live there!!! How's that "Hope and Change" working out for all of you who voted for the illegal alien, and are now complaining about it? Remember, we get the government that we deserve!
Bruce, where are you getting the idea that NYC would be exempt from this? Hawley said something to the effect of 'this will not affect NYC residents,' he didn't say they would be exempt. He was simply trying to stir up the rural anti-city sentiment which is complete nonsense. Genesee County receives $1.17 back from New York for every dollar we pay in taxes, (at last count) the idea that we're paying for NYC is factually incorrect and we would do well to remember that every time our politicians try to foment discord among us rural residents.
I'm in agreement with the majority here as far as the new plates being a blatant money grab, but let's ensure that we hate it for the right reasons.
Daniel, I'm well aware of how the Government works, and I find it interesting that you knew exactly who I was referring to with my comment! I was speaking of the "Liberal" mindset that is running rampant throughout every aspect of our lives; the media, the Congress, the Executive Branch; and State and Local Government. Paterson is about adept at running this State as he is driving a car, and in all fairness, he didn't ask for the job, he inherited it from "Love client #9".
Ok John,you say stop saying that Democrats inherited this mess- well,who controlled NYS for the previous 12 yrs.? Before that,Cuomo wasn't any better,and I can't remember if Carey was a Republican or Democrat.Why did these lawmakers recently increase their daily stipend??? Their exorbinant salary isn't enough already,that they need over $170 per day they are in Albany?Gee,I wish I could make that much extra.I say get ALL these bozos out of office-THEY ARE ALL CROOKS NO MATTER WHAT!!!!! I wish they could manufacture registration stickers and inspection stickers that actually stick.Maybe the new plates will start peeling,then you will get a ticket....more cash for the state!
My point is when you are in charge of all the NYS government, and have been for 3 years, don't cry that it was the other guys fault.
Your in charge now, you own it.
Dan,
It's been 36 months since Republicans lost control. That short time when the two Dems jumped ship, neither side got anything done. In fact, I felt better knowing they couldn't cause any harm.
John-Of the Governorship yes, of the State Legislature no. The point is that the problems we face are far older than 36 months and that the Pataki administration was also a major part of the problem.
People up in arms over $25.....people just better hope that NYS doesn't change the registration charges to what some states do-they charge registration based on vehicles VALUE,not weight.I like paying around $60 plus every 2 years,compared to a few hundred or more every year.People don't realize I think that no matter who you elect,nothing will get done.Nothing will ever get done.Just hope you can make enough if you have a job to pay your bills,let them say they gave us tax cuts,but still pay more and more every year.Cut education-guess what-our school taxes go up.We cut your property tax rate-guess what? You've been increased $20k-$30k on your property assessment.I've never seen my assessment go down.....
It really doesn't matter who has been in control and for how long. The Democrats have had opportunities to make changes and they have failed. The Republicans have had opportunities to make things better and they have failed!
Special interest and lobbying groups have been in control of Albany and Washington for years upon years. The plain truth is that it has just gotten to the point of shamefulness. Neither "side" has done their jobs right in this state and that's what everyone has to concede. We are too busy playing politics instead of doing what is needed.
Our taxes are out of control because we are one of the highest entitlement states in the country and we create legislation that mandates programs, which in turn creates more departments,jobs and other overhead. Instead of reducing or eliminating some of these, we create fees. That is NOT responsible government.
It is not an easy thing to cut, but that is what has to be done. It's not about party, it's about people. Whatever party you may be in, we as a people are being hurt by this.
Dan,
I agree tht Pataki was no winner. My issue was Lori trying to say it is still his fault. When your party is total control, and refuses to do anything, as the Democrats in Albany are now doing, then they can not blame anyone else.
John, never once did I say that the blame lies with Pataki -- just needed to point out that we didn't arrive at this juncture over night. This is what I said -- <i>"NY State spending is not the result of one party, but it now seems to rest solely on Paterson to correct."</i>
And for the second or third time -- the NY State Senate flipped last November, not three years ago. And I might add that it flipped in spite of jerrymandered districts. I am in favor of a reform policy to end the dysfunction in the New York State government, including a state constitutional convention. I also signed a petition fairly early on calling for the resignation of Monserrate.
The biggest reason for the State budget crisis is the Bush recession and the collapse of the Wall Street revenue stream which contributed 20% to the budget in good years. The chickens have come home to roost, and the hen house is full of both sides. It would be nice to see cooperation in these dire days, instead of the "blame game".
"The biggest reason for the State budget crisis is the Bush recession and the collapse of the Wall Street revenue stream which contributed 20% to the budget in good years. The chickens have come home to roost, and the hen house is full of both sides. It would be nice to see cooperation in these dire days, instead of the 'blame game.'"
If the state were well run, there would be no fiscal crisis, regardless of the recession, or a 20 percent drop WS revenue, etc. Good management dictates that you mange for the bad times during the good. But no big government operates that way. For government, during the good times it is "gimme, gimme gimme." And in the bad times, it's "it's your fault."
To me, the "blame game" is just the natural result of partisan politics. Political parties exist for only one reason -- and it's not to push a policy that one party or the other believes is best for citizens -- the one and only reason parties exist is to perpetuate the party.
The excuse they use for the partisan gamesmanship is, "if we're not in the majority, then we can't do the things we think are right for the citizens."
But of course, when they get in the majority, it's all about maintaining the majority and enjoying the majority perks. It's not about the people.
Parties are RUTHLESS about getting and maintaining majority. And it's a complete smokescreen that they're doing it for any sort of altruistic reason, such as pushing the policies they think are best for citizens. Some particular individuals might really believe they're in the party for the right reasons, but the truth is, the machine doesn't run that way.
The other aspect of this is just the very nature of government. If a business wants to expand, there is only one choice -- get better at what they do, win more customers, win in the market place. That's the only way to grow revenue. The business might have to borrow money to do it, but in the end it's all about winning more customers through a better product or better service or a better strategy. But the government doesn't work that way. If the government wants more money, they just force it out of you. There is no effective check on the growth of government. There is no check that says, "that's a great idea, but we just can't afford it." The government response is, "that's a great idea; the money will come from someplace -- that's not our worry."
So long as you have a centralized government (almost all state power in in Albany) controlled by partisans rather than citizens, you're going to have a dysfunctional system that continues to sap the state of its treasure.
I'd favor a constitutional convention, but only if all delegates were dedicated to devolving power back to the local level and almost completely eliminating state government. Otherwise, you'll wind up with the same mess we have now, just with the deck chairs in different locations.
Bea,
Fine line there with STAR. It was not so much an enititlement as a rebate on taxes. Of course it was done to buy our votes and it worked. That's why they just didn't lower the tax in the first place. Now, they have screwed up so bad, they can't even buy my vote with a rebate!
Good point, John. the rebate was just that, an election stunt. If you can afford to give a rebate, then you shouldn't be charging that much in taxes! Now they have spent so much that we don't even get back that little amount.
Both parties just spend, spend, spend! I don't feel it's my patriotic duty to pay taxes. My family and I served this nation in both uniform and in support roles as civilians. I learn the issues, I vote and I try to make my community a better place. I use to salute my flag, and now I place my hand over my heart in deep respect. That's patriotism, not paying an abtuse amount of money, so that politicians can eat good meals and take care of their "contributors" on the backs of those who earn it.
John and Phil are right. The STAR rebate program was a stunt to get votes. The politicians in Albany figured out that it was no longer having the effect at the ballot boxes they had hoped for and felt comfortable enough to eliminate it.
All of this is just talk about the symptoms of the real problem. The state needs to eliminate jobs and “programs” that people like but, are not willing pay for. Albany has been taking the easy way out for years by continuing to borrow money to pay for things we cannot afford. Albany cannot continue to spend borrowed money any longer and needs to cut back but, the “people” won’t let them do that either. These politicians are stuck and “people” will not elect anyone who is willing to make the cuts that are needed. We are in a death spiral.
The Star rebate was too equal the playing field..School districts in city's get more state aid then those in rural areas like ours..So they gave us a rebate..I don't think it was to buy votes..It was called being fair..That is why some school district home owners got more or less then others..Pataki realized that school taxes are killing New York State,so he tried to do something about it..If you guy s think it is all a stunt then forgo your Star property exemption..Patterson still believes take all you can from the working and give it all to the not working..Why not give less to all these busing services...Let the cost of riding the B-Line bus go up.Why do i need to pay more to register my car,so someone riding the bus can pay less..
Mark! You hit it right on. Eliminate the bus service in the county. That will bring your taxes down. Make the bus fare so high that people on fixed incomes can't afford to ride it. Works for me. Good call. Where else can we cut to make it so that those who aren't as well off as you can be crushed? Maybe offer one way tickets out of New York State. Should we use box cars to move them out?
Bea said "Where else can we cut to make it so that those who aren't as well off as you can be crushed? Maybe offer one way tickets out of New York State. Should we use box cars to move them out?"
Enough of the drama, Bea. Mark is a frustrated taxpayer, as are many people in our state who actually pay taxes. The governor is playing Robin Hood. Take from the middle class (star rebate) and give to the poor ($200 cash deposits for school supplies). Am I wrong for feeling it is never ending? I thank God daily for my life, because I know it could be much worse. But I also feel some, not all, play the system at the expense of others, and I'm quite tired of subsidizing their lifestyle!
NY is driving NY'ers away. When I left here 20 years ago, it wasn't because of the beautiful countryside, the gorgeous autumns and the good people of WNY. It was because of bureaucratic BS. I moved back a decade later, still bad. Another 10 years pass, and NY is in the worst financial situation imaginable.
This is home for me. But I can't afford my home much longer, not with NYS government extracting taxes,fees and surcharges from my dwindling income!
I wonder who will pay all those state workers when they are the only ones left?
The reality of welfare capitalism is that the playing field must be constantly leveled. Most assets are in the hands of government and corporations. Assets are taxed. Being top-heavy, those with assets pay for those without. The ones who get hurt are in the middle: own taxable assets but ineligible for the safety net. The working class (not bankers, lawyers, insurance brokers, stock brokers, investment counselors and politicians who attach themselves to other people's money), people who literally work, have the most fragile position, earning little more than survival wages. Any extra is swallowed up by taxes. There is no recourse but to feel cheated. Oddly, when looking for someone to be resentful of, the cheated single out those who are in worse straits. The cheated are bitter; they cling to louder, angrier voices who fan the fire.
...And ignore the obvious. Neither Democrats or Republicans will ever change anything. They are the only game in town; status quo is all they know. They are a product of complex alliance dedicated to self-preservation. To have change, we must stop voting for them. Vote third party- any third party. Throw the bums out.
Bea you mean to tell me that if they raises all the subsided bus fare by 10 cents a ride in all of New York that will drive our all our poor in search of lower bus fare...My point was to spread the cost..if they raised the bus fare by a few cents maybe the wouldn't have to force me to buy new plates..Sometime you are so dramatic....What there doing now is driving the ones that pay the taxes out....Rich and
poor alike ride the bus..Rochester and Buffalo has many upscale bus riders,they can afford to pay more..Why do you paint the people who ride the bus as poor...Pretty bias view..If i was one who rode the bus i would take offense at that.......
When I worked at Kodak Office, I took the bus every day and, yes, there was an upscale group of people going into Rochester each day. Two ladies, in particular, who came in from Buffalo to work in law offices in Rochester.
We weren't subsidized (unlike commuters were subsidized to ride to corporate offices in Pennsylvanis when I worked there - and mind you, these people were making quite a bit more per year than the average in Genesee Co., yet they received the subsidy).
I didn't mean to be dramatic, but you always seem to hit on those less fortunate than you when you complain about taxes. It does seem that you would be better off if NYS found a way to displace them and get them off your backs. But, somehow I don't believe your taxes would go down. Who would you have to complain about then?
If the bus system in Genesee Co. had a schedule anywhere near reality, then I could see adding more to the fare. It could service many who work and prefer not to clutter the roads. Mass trans has a place in our society - not just for those on fixed incomes.
We, in WNY, have subsidized NYC transit for years - something I have complained about a good many times in letters to various politicians. We have subsidized NYC's use of electricity and we, in WNY, suffered brown outs one summer so that those arriving home from work in NYC could have air conditioning.
I paid my share of school and property taxes for years. I paid my share of NYS income tax for many years as well.
I understand the frustration, but why is it always aimed at those who can do the least about it?
Can someone tell me why UMMC contracted with a wyoming county bus company(Attica Bus INC. ) rather than one of the Genesee county bus companies . Also how green is our hospitol that busses it's workers one block back and forth all day long . Those busses never are shut off ( also illegal ) but yet everyone seems to praise UMMC .
and they are just another
and they are just another expense that is not needed but our "Tax to Death Governor" thinks otherwise.
Didn't we have plates like
Didn't we have plates like this once already?
Ok, so let me get this
Ok, so let me get this straight. New York State is being forced to purchase new plates, at $25 a piece, but not New York City? Also does this mean that we will have to also purchase plates for our boat trailers, and campers?
What a racket.. Lets see, a camper, 2 vechicles, 2 boat trailers, and a hauling trailer..$150.00. Far cry from $25 Governor Pattinhispocketson-<a href="http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/Free-Jumping-Smileys/" title="Jumping Smileys"><img src="http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/lol-060.gif" alt="Jumping Smileys" border="0"></a>. Its highway robbery, and is it legal to only make part of NYS do this? Anyone..
The plates are ugly, and will stand out like a soar thumb. (in my opinion)
Oh no kidding! 2 trucks, 1
Oh no kidding! 2 trucks, 1 camper, 1 boat trailer, 1 hauling trailer, and how about our ATV's?
From the DMV website: FOR
From the DMV website:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Tuesday, November 10, 2009
DMV COMMISSIONER UNVEILS NEW EMPIRE GOLD LICENSE PLATES
New Plate Will Improve Highway Safety and Generate Needed Revenue
New York State Commissioner of Motor Vehicles and Chair of the Governor's Traffic Safety Committee David J. Swarts today unveiled the "Empire Gold" license plate which will be issued to most vehicles registered in the state beginning in April, 2010.
"The bold colors of the new license plate reflect New York's force and its resilience," said Commissioner Swarts. "These new plates, in the official colors of the State of New York, will help maintain highway safety, reduce the number of unregistered and uninsured vehicles on our roads, and generate $129 million in General Fund revenue over two years, which will help address the State's financial crisis."
The new plate is gold in color with dark blue letters and numbers in the central part of the plate, separated by a small dark blue state silhouette. There is a dark blue banner across the length of the top of the plate, with "New York" printed in gold in the center. "Empire State" is in dark blue letters across the bottom.
State Police Superintendent Harry J. Corbitt said, "License plates are a fundamental tool of law enforcement that has been enhanced in recent years through a variety of technologies that improve their readability, especially under low light conditions. The State Police has worked cooperatively with DMV to ensure that the new plates will continue to serve the law enforcement community effectively."
Periodically re-issuing plates is important for overall safety, law enforcement and the general integrity of the plate. License plate visibility tends to decrease as license plates lose their reflectivity and become marred and damaged from use. The legibility and reflectivity of the current Empire plate, which was issued beginning in 2001, was only guaranteed for up to 5 years. Current plates will have been in use for 10-11 years by the time they are replaced by the new Empire Gold plates.
"This project will benefit law enforcement efforts, and therefore enhance public safety, in several ways," said Denise E. O'Donnell, Deputy Secretary for Public Safety and Commissioner of the New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services. "For instance, nearly 300 police agencies in New York State are currently deploying approximately 500 computerized license plate readers (LPRs) that enable authorities to quickly identify vehicles that have been stolen or used in a crime. These new plates will ensure that the LPRs are as effective as possible."
Periodic re-issuance also helps to ensure compliance with motor vehicle registration and insurance requirements. As new plates are issued, motorists that are driving with suspended or revoked registrations become more conspicuous.
"By helping to reduce the number of uninsured motorists, the new Empire Gold plates will help keep auto insurance costs down for all New Yorkers during these difficult economic times," said New York State Superintendent of Insurance James J. Wrynn.
DMV will begin issuing the new plates for registration renewals that expire in May 2010. Customers renewing their vehicle registrations in person in a DMV office, over the phone, by mail or through the Internet, will receive their new Empire Gold plates in the mail. Customers completing an original over-the-counter registration transaction will receive their plates immediately. The replacement will take place as part of scheduled vehicle registration and renewal and will take two years to complete. There are currently 12 million registered vehicles in New York State.
A plate fee of $25.00 will be added to the registration renewal fee. Single plate registrations (e.g. motorcycles) will be charged a plate fee of $12.50. Motorists registered in the Passenger (PAS), Commercial (COM), Motorcycle (MOT) or Trailer (TRL) registration classes will have the option to keep their current plate number/letter combination. Those with vehicles registered in other classes may also have this option. The registration renewal invitation will tell motorists if this option is available. Those choosing to keep their current plate number/letter combination on the new Empire Gold plate will be required to pay a $20.00 fee. Those motorists holding a personalized plate will automatically be re-issued the same number/letter combination on their new plate. Because they currently pay an annual personalized plate fee, they will not be required to pay the $20.00 fee. Most plates with the New York skyline banner across the top of the plate will begin to be replaced by the new Empire Gold plate in April. Custom picture plates will be replaced at a later date. The DMV will also be electronically sharing updated plate number information with EZ-Pass so that motorists who participate in that program will not have to do so.
Additional information on the new license plates can be found by visiting the Department of Motor Vehicles website at www.nysdmv.com.
you own all that and you are
you own all that and you are worried about new plates-- how about those with only one vehicle and on a fixed budget-- be grateful you have what you have
Yellow/gold and blue are
Yellow/gold and blue are compliments and I for one like the design.
"you own all that and you are
"you own all that and you are worried about new plates-- how about those with only one vehicle and on a fixed budget-- be grateful you have what you have"
I'm very grateful for what I have but I still have a right to speak against something I don't agree with. This will take from my pockets just like everyone else.
Thanks for the info Stacey!!
Thanks for the info Stacey!! I'm relieved its an option to have to change the plates on the trailers, and camper.
LEAVE THINGS ALONE!!
LEAVE THINGS ALONE!!
Those choosing to keep their
Those choosing to keep their current plate number/letter combination on the new Empire Gold plate will be required to pay a $20.00 fee.
So it costs $45 to not change your plate number when re-registering total. Lovely. NY is just getting worse and worse as a place to live, bit by bit.
From Karen: "I'm releived its
From Karen: "I'm releived its an option to have to change the plates on the trailers, and camper."
It's not an option to keep the same plate. (mistake taken by alot of New Yorkers)It's a $20.00 ADDITIONAL FEE to keep the same PLATE NUMBER. So you will pay the new plate fee of $25.00 (or $12.50 for campers, motorcycles, ATV's) PLUS an additional $20.00 fee to keep the same plate NUMBER.
That's where they are getting you.
Make sure everyone is reading this very carefully. We will not, for any reason, keep the plates we currently have. They are making EVERYONE get the new plates, you just need to decide if you want to pay only the intial $25.00 to get a new plate number or if you, in total, want to pay $45.00 for new plates with the same plate number you have now.
More and more out of our pockets.
Karen - I think there is some
Karen - I think there is some misunderstanding regarding NYC. They have to also get the new plates. The point that Steve Hawley made is that since most NYC residents don't drive, this affects the rest of us more than them.
Morning Beth, how about all
Morning Beth, how about all the Taxi's and Limo's in NYC. I'm sure they will have to pay the fee's. Steve is right, their are alot of people in NYC that dont drive, but also alot that do. Its a big city. Thanks for your insight girls. Have a Blessed Day!
You're right about the taxis
You're right about the taxis Karen and of course that cost is going to be passed right on to the consumer.
The issue is the budget- not
The issue is the budget- not license plates. Hawley is raising a fuss over a non-issue to avoid the immediate problem. We have a budget gap. We either have to cut expenses or raise revenue. The chicken-sh*t politicians are afraid to do either. Instead of fixing the problem and p*ssing-off some special interest groups; they will do nothing and make alot of noise doing it to avoid being labelled, "tax-raiser" or "school-closer." Paterson doesn't deserve to be demonized. He proposed cuts months ago; the legislature gave a thumbs-down.
The safey angle is just a
The safey angle is just a joke. This is about money. Hey here's a thought! If you don't have enough money to pay your bills....REDUCE your bills!!!
I don't care what they look like! I am already paying $100 to re-register my cars which are the same as they were LAST YEAR! Now I have to pay another $50 to get these plates because this state has no idea how to budget anything!
C.M., Why dump on Hawley? He
C.M.,
Why dump on Hawley? He published tax cutting ideas a short time ago. Nobody took them.
But, Hwley is a Republican. The Democrats control Albany now. I agree Patterson has proposed cuts, but dump on the guys who are in control.
Your logic defies me. Hawley
Your logic defies me. Hawley is my rep. I squawk when my rep doesn't do what he should. If all the so-called little guys did what they should instead of waiting for the the guys "in control" to tell them what to do... We'd have an effective legislature instead of the embarrassment that exists now.
Frankly, Steve Hawley's only
Frankly, Steve Hawley's only qualification for political life (aside from residency) is similarity in name to a prior assemblyman.
Unfortunately Governor
Unfortunately Governor Paterson has the toughest of jobs dealing with a budget short fall and a fiscal crisis that he inherited.
Whether this is a revenue generator or just time for a tag change, or both, from the DMV press release it seems to be a request from law enforcement, too.
I would like to ask Assemblyman Hawley what he <b>is</b> in favor of cutting or where he would find the revenue to make up the shortfall. The governor's office was held by Pataki for the 12 years leading up to this crisis and the state senate was controlled by the republicans for 40 years prior to last year. NY State spending is not the result of one party, but it now seems to rest solely on Paterson to correct. Pretty daunting task for one person.
I observed, from my last visit to Manhattan, that there are lots of cars and taxi's that would need plates, so I agree with Karen and Beth and think that the upstate-downstate divide is just a big red herring. I actually would guess there are way more vehicles on the road in Manhattan in one day than in probably an entire year in the 139th assembly district.
Being in the Assembly as long
Being in the Assembly as long as Hawley has, with the list of accomplishments topped by organizing bus excursions and securing a grant for xmas lights is pretty lame.
Regardless of who is in
Regardless of who is in office right now or how long they have been there, this budget process is broken.
We spend way too much money in this state. It is time to start making hard choices and reduce the size of the government across the board!
No one wants to tackle that though! The cuts that have been proposed don't even come close to the amount of "Fee" increases that have been proposed. Both Parties have failed in Albany, miserably.
I actually would guess there
I actually would guess there are way more vehicles on the road in Manhattan in one day than in probably an entire year in the 139th assembly district.
One day in Manahattan vs. 365 days in AD 139. Hmmmm... I think that may be a bit exaggerated. Remember, the NYS thruway and I-490 run through this district, as well as a lot of state highways. 1 day in Gotham vs. 365 days in WNY?? My guess is WNY.
I actually would guess there
I actually would guess there are way more vehicles on the road in Manhattan in one day than in probably an entire year in the 139th assembly district.
One day in Manahattan vs. 365 days in AD 139. Hmmmm... I think that may be a bit exaggerated. Remember, the NYS thruway and I-490 run through this district, as well as a lot of state highways. 1 day in Gotham vs. 365 days in WNY?? My guess is WNY.
John, I'd agree with you if
John,
I'd agree with you if Mr. Hawley was currently busy introducing legislation to back up the ideas he recently put in the Daily, but he's not.
Gov. Patterson (love him or hate him) begged the Assembly and the Senate last week to come up with cuts to shrink our deficit, they did not comply. Assemblyman Hawley should have been hard at work implementing his ideas instead of writing letters to the editor and doing his best to placate the district. It's one thing to talk about an idea, it's quite another to put your nose to the grindstone and make it happen.
Hawley's recently sponsored bills can be found here:
http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/?ad=139&sh=sponsor
Phil I agree with you. What
Phil I agree with you. What gets me the most angry, is that the state is going to make the most cuts in education and schools. Couldn't they make cuts elsewhere? Our kids are our future, and deserve the best education that NYS can offer, not to be put at the bottom of the list of the states priorities. How about they make cuts, in what the taxpayers pay these bigwigs, for screwing up the economy. In my opinion they arent worth a penny, if they cant do the job they have been given.
Lori, You are a true
Lori, You are a true democrate . Beleive in everthing that your party backs and never support a republican no matter if it is the right thing to do or not. That is why Mallow left and went back to being an independent . I wish more would leave both parties and go Independent , then we will hear people's true feelings on politics.
When you have art teachers
When you have art teachers ordering more supplies based on budget dollers than on needs , we have a problem . Do we really need three years of paint supplies just so we fullfill or department budget , to get the same or even more budget monies for the fowlowing year . If the individule budget departments don't spend the allocated money in the current year than they won't get that much the next year . The problem is with the individule school districts themselves .If the state cuts money from the budget , then districts cut support staff but they don't trim department budgets .
At the end of the school year , department chair person finds out how much money they have left to spend in the department budget and then go on a spending spree for supplies and equipment not based on need .
So , yes we need to trim education budgets at the district level and that will create less need of state funds and lower our taxes for schools
What ever happened to the
What ever happened to the lottery?
The lottery was supposed to
The lottery was supposed to eliminate school taxes , instead of going into the general fund . What happened with the school budget before the lottery.
I have lived in NY State,
I have lived in NY State, County of Genesee, Oakfield, for all of my life - over 60 years. I like it here, and have always liked living here.
For the first time in my life I am considering moving out of state. Why? Incredibly poor judgment on the part of both major political parties that is leading to ever higher taxes and fees. Have you ever considered what you really pay in taxes? That would include: property, income, sales, licenses (auto, boat, dog, hunting, fishing, etc.), telephone, heating, electric, Thruway tolls, bridge tolls, . . .
If the Republicrats could figure out a way to meter your air intake they would tax the air we breathe.
In Lori’s defense, it is her
In Lori’s defense, it is her job to blindly support Democrats. The system is setup in a way that she has to support the party agenda whether she personally believes it or not. If she stops being vocal we are stuck with one party rule.
The two party system is broke beyond repair. Both parties play games and undercut each other to the determinate of all of us. The problem is individual voters like to talk about generalized cuts but, in the end will fight any cut that is proposed. People want things for nothing and until we abandon the two party system we are doomed.
So, cuts to education is bad.
So, cuts to education is bad. Cutting funding to the arts and science is bad. Cutting funding to medicare/medicaid is bad. Cutting positions at prisons and hospitals are bad.
So what would you cut? The politicians are definitely not going to vote for a pay reduction. We can't cut these programs, because then people whine. They whine when their funding doesn't increase, and then they whine when all their dreams come true for their program but taxes increase. You cannot have a lot of highly funded programs and low taxes. It's like, if you lose your job you don't go out and spend more money than you have been.
Cuts need to be made, but no one is willing to see that happen. Employment is down, so income taxes are down. Raising taxes while people are unemployed means those people have less to live on and may have to rely on other government programs, which are being threatened to be cut. And then, with these cuts they don't cut mandated programs, ok, so the state wants, say, $160,000 from each school district, however a lot of the state money goes towards state mandated programs. So, this money they want back means some program still needs to be funded, so next year the school district raises taxes. The deficit just keeps getting placed in smaller and smaller pockets, and you, the tax payer, gets to pay for it over and over and over.
Want the high taxes to end? Do research, find programs you want cut and wouldn't whine about, and write your representatives. Not that it'll do any good.
Stop whining unless you have a solution.
Charlie, I need to ask you
Charlie, I need to ask you about Dr. O'Malley. Any way you could e-mail me? I see him in December. I'm so excited, but a little nervous.
Lorie, Democrats have been in
Lorie,
Democrats have been in TOTAL charge of Albany now for 3 years. This is their mess. The "I inherited it" stuff is a bit old.
After 3 years, own up, stand up. Right now Patterson has Democrats who refuse to do anything.
The Republicans didn't do much when they controled the Senate, true. But when Democrats are in control for this long, you are at fault. And when we were in trouble, Patterson raised spending and taxes this year. That was beyond stupid.
Charlie , Thanks for the
Charlie , Thanks for the input about Lori . You do make great points . The average once in a while reader doesn't know her connection to the Democrats , so they are thinking it is unbiased oppinion of her's when indeed it is not . Lori , (now that you are gone from the party) is their biggest asset . I just don't like how political all the comments are .
In fact this web site might implode do to how political it is . Not sure how well this web site would do without politics , and yet it might also destroy it .
Hey ,That even sounds political . LOL i don't want to offend anyone but that is my opinion .
If councilman (the leaker)Bialkowski is reading , then don't read this because you don't care what I have to sat because I am not a Dem . Or a Rep.
The problem is that there are
The problem is that there are Inefficiencies every where in this state! The is no area that could find ways to cut 5%! Do you realize how much that would be?!?!?
I am a huge supporter of education, but education is riddled with mandated programs that keep the costs very high! Take off a lot of those mandates and I'm pretty sure that you could save some serious money.
That's the point really. There are always ways to save money, but those in power have "taken the envelope" from their lobbyists and special interests groups. They are all more concerned with getting voted out of office then they are doing the job why they are there!
The two party system is a joke. Anyone who can honestly tell me that we are better off with Democrats running the show, is just silly. BOTH parties have failed us. They are more interested in "winning" then they are doing what is right!
Phil, You are absolutly right
Phil, You are absolutly right about the mandated programs . Here is one that could potentially save districts a ton of money without altering education . Lower the mandated fresh air policy fror for schools classrooms. There is a mandate that requires a certain percentage of fresh air to every classroom . When it is zero out , do we really need 25% fresh air pumped into each classroom and could you afford to do this at your house ? If someone could do the homework , I would bet we could lower our heating cost per school by 15% and times that by the number of schools there are . Now thats saving money!!
John-Actually, Democrats have
John-Actually, Democrats have had 'total control' only for around 11 months, for a month of that time the Republicans, aided by 2 rogue Democrats, pulled a childish political stunt that almost brought state government to a total halt.
Things need to change in New York State for sure, we need to elect better leaders and reform state government, but to say that ALL of the blame falls on the Democrats shoulders is ridiculous. After all, up until 2007, the Republicans had control of 2/3 branches of the state government.
I do not agree with this
I do not agree with this idea, I just got a license plate in July when I bought my new vehicle, why do I need to buy a new one now?
Because money grubber
Because money grubber extraordinaire Gov Dave knows a free cash grab when he sees one. How else will we pay for his increased office staff, and his $2000 suits?
Do they still make plates in
Do they still make plates in prison? If so, thats a huge markup for in-house work.
Thomas, save your breath when
Thomas, save your breath when it comes to Bob. From what he says to the paper, if you are not a Democrat or Republican he could care less what you think.
Karen, email me at cmallow00@yahoo.com or facebook me.
Why does it surprise anyone
Why does it surprise anyone that NYC would be exempt from another tax!? After all, they are the cause of most of our tax increases. We need to pay for all of the "Mooch-a-Meals" that live there!!! How's that "Hope and Change" working out for all of you who voted for the illegal alien, and are now complaining about it? Remember, we get the government that we deserve!
Umm..Bruce, Obama was elected
Umm..Bruce, Obama was elected President, not Governor and has nothing to do with any state policy.
Perhaps you should read up on how government works.
Bruce, where are you getting
Bruce, where are you getting the idea that NYC would be exempt from this? Hawley said something to the effect of 'this will not affect NYC residents,' he didn't say they would be exempt. He was simply trying to stir up the rural anti-city sentiment which is complete nonsense. Genesee County receives $1.17 back from New York for every dollar we pay in taxes, (at last count) the idea that we're paying for NYC is factually incorrect and we would do well to remember that every time our politicians try to foment discord among us rural residents.
I'm in agreement with the majority here as far as the new plates being a blatant money grab, but let's ensure that we hate it for the right reasons.
Daniel, I'm well aware of how
Daniel, I'm well aware of how the Government works, and I find it interesting that you knew exactly who I was referring to with my comment! I was speaking of the "Liberal" mindset that is running rampant throughout every aspect of our lives; the media, the Congress, the Executive Branch; and State and Local Government. Paterson is about adept at running this State as he is driving a car, and in all fairness, he didn't ask for the job, he inherited it from "Love client #9".
Ok John,you say stop saying
Ok John,you say stop saying that Democrats inherited this mess- well,who controlled NYS for the previous 12 yrs.? Before that,Cuomo wasn't any better,and I can't remember if Carey was a Republican or Democrat.Why did these lawmakers recently increase their daily stipend??? Their exorbinant salary isn't enough already,that they need over $170 per day they are in Albany?Gee,I wish I could make that much extra.I say get ALL these bozos out of office-THEY ARE ALL CROOKS NO MATTER WHAT!!!!! I wish they could manufacture registration stickers and inspection stickers that actually stick.Maybe the new plates will start peeling,then you will get a ticket....more cash for the state!
Bob, Carey was a
Bob,
Carey was a Democrat.
My point is when you are in charge of all the NYS government, and have been for 3 years, don't cry that it was the other guys fault.
Your in charge now, you own it.
Dan,
It's been 36 months since Republicans lost control. That short time when the two Dems jumped ship, neither side got anything done. In fact, I felt better knowing they couldn't cause any harm.
John-Of the Governorship yes,
John-Of the Governorship yes, of the State Legislature no. The point is that the problems we face are far older than 36 months and that the Pataki administration was also a major part of the problem.
People up in arms over
People up in arms over $25.....people just better hope that NYS doesn't change the registration charges to what some states do-they charge registration based on vehicles VALUE,not weight.I like paying around $60 plus every 2 years,compared to a few hundred or more every year.People don't realize I think that no matter who you elect,nothing will get done.Nothing will ever get done.Just hope you can make enough if you have a job to pay your bills,let them say they gave us tax cuts,but still pay more and more every year.Cut education-guess what-our school taxes go up.We cut your property tax rate-guess what? You've been increased $20k-$30k on your property assessment.I've never seen my assessment go down.....
It really doesn't matter who
It really doesn't matter who has been in control and for how long. The Democrats have had opportunities to make changes and they have failed. The Republicans have had opportunities to make things better and they have failed!
Special interest and lobbying groups have been in control of Albany and Washington for years upon years. The plain truth is that it has just gotten to the point of shamefulness. Neither "side" has done their jobs right in this state and that's what everyone has to concede. We are too busy playing politics instead of doing what is needed.
Our taxes are out of control because we are one of the highest entitlement states in the country and we create legislation that mandates programs, which in turn creates more departments,jobs and other overhead. Instead of reducing or eliminating some of these, we create fees. That is NOT responsible government.
It is not an easy thing to cut, but that is what has to be done. It's not about party, it's about people. Whatever party you may be in, we as a people are being hurt by this.
Dan, I agree tht Pataki was
Dan,
I agree tht Pataki was no winner. My issue was Lori trying to say it is still his fault. When your party is total control, and refuses to do anything, as the Democrats in Albany are now doing, then they can not blame anyone else.
John, never once did I say
John, never once did I say that the blame lies with Pataki -- just needed to point out that we didn't arrive at this juncture over night. This is what I said -- <i>"NY State spending is not the result of one party, but it now seems to rest solely on Paterson to correct."</i>
And for the second or third time -- the NY State Senate flipped last November, not three years ago. And I might add that it flipped in spite of jerrymandered districts. I am in favor of a reform policy to end the dysfunction in the New York State government, including a state constitutional convention. I also signed a petition fairly early on calling for the resignation of Monserrate.
The biggest reason for the State budget crisis is the Bush recession and the collapse of the Wall Street revenue stream which contributed 20% to the budget in good years. The chickens have come home to roost, and the hen house is full of both sides. It would be nice to see cooperation in these dire days, instead of the "blame game".
Lorie Wrote: "The biggest
Lorie Wrote:
"The biggest reason for the State budget crisis is the Bush recession and the collapse of the Wall Street revenue stream which contributed 20% to the budget in good years. The chickens have come home to roost, and the hen house is full of both sides. It would be nice to see cooperation in these dire days, instead of the 'blame game.'"
If the state were well run, there would be no fiscal crisis, regardless of the recession, or a 20 percent drop WS revenue, etc. Good management dictates that you mange for the bad times during the good. But no big government operates that way. For government, during the good times it is "gimme, gimme gimme." And in the bad times, it's "it's your fault."
To me, the "blame game" is just the natural result of partisan politics. Political parties exist for only one reason -- and it's not to push a policy that one party or the other believes is best for citizens -- the one and only reason parties exist is to perpetuate the party.
The excuse they use for the partisan gamesmanship is, "if we're not in the majority, then we can't do the things we think are right for the citizens."
But of course, when they get in the majority, it's all about maintaining the majority and enjoying the majority perks. It's not about the people.
Parties are RUTHLESS about getting and maintaining majority. And it's a complete smokescreen that they're doing it for any sort of altruistic reason, such as pushing the policies they think are best for citizens. Some particular individuals might really believe they're in the party for the right reasons, but the truth is, the machine doesn't run that way.
The other aspect of this is just the very nature of government. If a business wants to expand, there is only one choice -- get better at what they do, win more customers, win in the market place. That's the only way to grow revenue. The business might have to borrow money to do it, but in the end it's all about winning more customers through a better product or better service or a better strategy. But the government doesn't work that way. If the government wants more money, they just force it out of you. There is no effective check on the growth of government. There is no check that says, "that's a great idea, but we just can't afford it." The government response is, "that's a great idea; the money will come from someplace -- that's not our worry."
So long as you have a centralized government (almost all state power in in Albany) controlled by partisans rather than citizens, you're going to have a dysfunctional system that continues to sap the state of its treasure.
I'd favor a constitutional convention, but only if all delegates were dedicated to devolving power back to the local level and almost completely eliminating state government. Otherwise, you'll wind up with the same mess we have now, just with the deck chairs in different locations.
I totally agree, Howard!
I totally agree, Howard!
Pataki got us the Star
Pataki got us the Star program for school tax relief...Plus we were given a rebate check...Democrats took the rebate away...
Mark, isn't the STAR program
Mark, isn't the STAR program an entitlement? I thought the prevailing theme on this site is to get rid of entitlements.
Bea, Fine line there with
Bea,
Fine line there with STAR. It was not so much an enititlement as a rebate on taxes. Of course it was done to buy our votes and it worked. That's why they just didn't lower the tax in the first place. Now, they have screwed up so bad, they can't even buy my vote with a rebate!
I still think the new license
I still think the new license plates are ugly. :o)
Good point, John. the rebate
Good point, John. the rebate was just that, an election stunt. If you can afford to give a rebate, then you shouldn't be charging that much in taxes! Now they have spent so much that we don't even get back that little amount.
Both parties just spend, spend, spend! I don't feel it's my patriotic duty to pay taxes. My family and I served this nation in both uniform and in support roles as civilians. I learn the issues, I vote and I try to make my community a better place. I use to salute my flag, and now I place my hand over my heart in deep respect. That's patriotism, not paying an abtuse amount of money, so that politicians can eat good meals and take care of their "contributors" on the backs of those who earn it.
It's time to get out of that mindset!
Phil, Just a point. By law
Phil,
Just a point. By law now, civilians who have served can now salute the flag. It is a way of showing you are a Vet.
John and Phil are right. The
John and Phil are right. The STAR rebate program was a stunt to get votes. The politicians in Albany figured out that it was no longer having the effect at the ballot boxes they had hoped for and felt comfortable enough to eliminate it.
All of this is just talk about the symptoms of the real problem. The state needs to eliminate jobs and “programs” that people like but, are not willing pay for. Albany has been taking the easy way out for years by continuing to borrow money to pay for things we cannot afford. Albany cannot continue to spend borrowed money any longer and needs to cut back but, the “people” won’t let them do that either. These politicians are stuck and “people” will not elect anyone who is willing to make the cuts that are needed. We are in a death spiral.
The Star rebate was too
The Star rebate was too equal the playing field..School districts in city's get more state aid then those in rural areas like ours..So they gave us a rebate..I don't think it was to buy votes..It was called being fair..That is why some school district home owners got more or less then others..Pataki realized that school taxes are killing New York State,so he tried to do something about it..If you guy s think it is all a stunt then forgo your Star property exemption..Patterson still believes take all you can from the working and give it all to the not working..Why not give less to all these busing services...Let the cost of riding the B-Line bus go up.Why do i need to pay more to register my car,so someone riding the bus can pay less..
Mark! You hit it right on.
Mark! You hit it right on. Eliminate the bus service in the county. That will bring your taxes down. Make the bus fare so high that people on fixed incomes can't afford to ride it. Works for me. Good call. Where else can we cut to make it so that those who aren't as well off as you can be crushed? Maybe offer one way tickets out of New York State. Should we use box cars to move them out?
Bea said "Where else can we
Bea said "Where else can we cut to make it so that those who aren't as well off as you can be crushed? Maybe offer one way tickets out of New York State. Should we use box cars to move them out?"
Enough of the drama, Bea. Mark is a frustrated taxpayer, as are many people in our state who actually pay taxes. The governor is playing Robin Hood. Take from the middle class (star rebate) and give to the poor ($200 cash deposits for school supplies). Am I wrong for feeling it is never ending? I thank God daily for my life, because I know it could be much worse. But I also feel some, not all, play the system at the expense of others, and I'm quite tired of subsidizing their lifestyle!
NY is driving NY'ers away. When I left here 20 years ago, it wasn't because of the beautiful countryside, the gorgeous autumns and the good people of WNY. It was because of bureaucratic BS. I moved back a decade later, still bad. Another 10 years pass, and NY is in the worst financial situation imaginable.
This is home for me. But I can't afford my home much longer, not with NYS government extracting taxes,fees and surcharges from my dwindling income!
I wonder who will pay all those state workers when they are the only ones left?
The reality of welfare
The reality of welfare capitalism is that the playing field must be constantly leveled. Most assets are in the hands of government and corporations. Assets are taxed. Being top-heavy, those with assets pay for those without. The ones who get hurt are in the middle: own taxable assets but ineligible for the safety net. The working class (not bankers, lawyers, insurance brokers, stock brokers, investment counselors and politicians who attach themselves to other people's money), people who literally work, have the most fragile position, earning little more than survival wages. Any extra is swallowed up by taxes. There is no recourse but to feel cheated. Oddly, when looking for someone to be resentful of, the cheated single out those who are in worse straits. The cheated are bitter; they cling to louder, angrier voices who fan the fire.
...And ignore the obvious. Neither Democrats or Republicans will ever change anything. They are the only game in town; status quo is all they know. They are a product of complex alliance dedicated to self-preservation. To have change, we must stop voting for them. Vote third party- any third party. Throw the bums out.
Throw 'em out
Throw 'em out
Bea you mean to tell me that
Bea you mean to tell me that if they raises all the subsided bus fare by 10 cents a ride in all of New York that will drive our all our poor in search of lower bus fare...My point was to spread the cost..if they raised the bus fare by a few cents maybe the wouldn't have to force me to buy new plates..Sometime you are so dramatic....What there doing now is driving the ones that pay the taxes out....Rich and
poor alike ride the bus..Rochester and Buffalo has many upscale bus riders,they can afford to pay more..Why do you paint the people who ride the bus as poor...Pretty bias view..If i was one who rode the bus i would take offense at that.......
When I worked at Kodak
When I worked at Kodak Office, I took the bus every day and, yes, there was an upscale group of people going into Rochester each day. Two ladies, in particular, who came in from Buffalo to work in law offices in Rochester.
We weren't subsidized (unlike commuters were subsidized to ride to corporate offices in Pennsylvanis when I worked there - and mind you, these people were making quite a bit more per year than the average in Genesee Co., yet they received the subsidy).
I didn't mean to be dramatic, but you always seem to hit on those less fortunate than you when you complain about taxes. It does seem that you would be better off if NYS found a way to displace them and get them off your backs. But, somehow I don't believe your taxes would go down. Who would you have to complain about then?
If the bus system in Genesee Co. had a schedule anywhere near reality, then I could see adding more to the fare. It could service many who work and prefer not to clutter the roads. Mass trans has a place in our society - not just for those on fixed incomes.
We, in WNY, have subsidized NYC transit for years - something I have complained about a good many times in letters to various politicians. We have subsidized NYC's use of electricity and we, in WNY, suffered brown outs one summer so that those arriving home from work in NYC could have air conditioning.
I paid my share of school and property taxes for years. I paid my share of NYS income tax for many years as well.
I understand the frustration, but why is it always aimed at those who can do the least about it?
Can someone tell me why UMMC
Can someone tell me why UMMC contracted with a wyoming county bus company(Attica Bus INC. ) rather than one of the Genesee county bus companies . Also how green is our hospitol that busses it's workers one block back and forth all day long . Those busses never are shut off ( also illegal ) but yet everyone seems to praise UMMC .