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July 10, 2012 - 11:01pm

Angry mother confronts store employees she believes sold bath salts to her son

posted by Howard B. Owens in batavia, crime, bath salts.

The mother of Jason Lang marched into 420 Emporium, at 400 Ellicott St. Batavia, tonight and demanded that employees sell her "Amped," a brand of bath salts she believes had been sold to her son at the store earlier in the evening.

She said she is trying to make a point -- that the recently opened head shop is killing her son by selling him the chemical substance.

For her trouble, she was issued an appearance ticket for alleged trespassing.

Jason Lang, previously arrested for allegedly making false reports to law enforcement in 9-1-1 calls, was bailed out of jail recently, according to his mother, Nicole Lang, by an employee of Lang's cab company.

"I want them to stop selling to my son because they are killing him right now," Mrs. Lang said.

Sgt. John Peck said that as a parent he sympathizes with Mrs. Lang's position, but said, "she's not going about it the right way."

Mrs. Lang said she went in the store, tried to buy bath salts, was told to leave and then left. Peck said store employees saw and what he observed himself is something different.

According to Peck, Mrs. Lang was told to leave, and did, but then stormed back in, disrupting business transactions in the store. After Peck and Officer Kevin DeFelice arrived on scene, Peck said Mrs. Lang reentered the store and started yelling at employees.

The store manager, Peck said, wanted to press trespass charges.

"We could have charged her with other possible crimes," Peck said. "We charged her with simple trespass."

Simple trespass is equivalent to getting a traffic ticket.

Mrs. Lang said she isn't done protesting against 420 Emporium for allegedly selling bath salts. She and her daughter, Brandi Smith, said they are going to organize a protest picket against the store to raise community awareness about 420 allegedly selling the chemical compounds.

They're hoping, they said, other community members concerned about bath salts in Batavia will join the protest.

The date of the protest will be announced at a later time.

According to Mrs. Lang, a person she encountered coming out of 420 Emporium when she arrived told her he had just purchased Amped in the store and snorted a line in front of her.

"He said he loved it," she said, and then he laughed and walked off.

While Mrs. Lang was out on the sidewalk after one of her previous entries into the store, she said two people -- a former employee of Lang's and a relative of Lang's -- walked past and one of them shoved her into the roadway on Ellicott Street.

She wanted the woman charged with assault, but Peck told her that complaint is still under investigation.

Peck told The Batavian that witnesses who don't know any of the parties involved said Mrs. Lang was trying to prevent the couple from walking down the sidewalk and one of the people simply tried to push her out of the way.

The two people would be interviewed, Peck said, before he reached any conclusions about the case.

Meanwhile, Peck said Batavia PD are dealing with an increasing number of bath salts related calls.

Today, he said, there were at least three bath salt related calls in the city, including one where two people allegedly on bath salts both started thinking the other was mad at the other. One of the people involved ended up going into the street brandishing a knife threatening the other person.

"We've been dealing with it (bath salts) all day," Peck said.

While police were on scene at 420 Emporium, Lang reportedly drove up to a Batavia PD cruiser and told an offer that gang members were out to kill him and drove off.

Brandi Smith said Lang's report to police isn't entirely bath-salt-inspired paranoia. According to Smith, a couple of months ago, Lang turned over to State Police all the Amped he had in his shop -- the former Laughing Buddha -- and that Lang  acquired the supply of Amped from a well known alleged criminal enterprise.

According to Smith, members of the crminal enterprise had laced the Amped with meth, unbeknownst to Lang, and Lang is facing possible criminal charges for selling the substance.

Now, she said, members of the gang are demanding Lang either return the Amped or pay them the money they're owed. 

The Amped in question, she said, is in the custody of State Police.

Finally, both Mrs. Lang and Mr. Lang (Jason's father) expressed displeasure with The Batavian's reporting about Jason Lang. They said The Batavian's stories leave people with the impression that Jason is some sort of "low life."

"Jason is really a good person," Mrs. Lang said. 

She said she wants the community to know he's really a good person just having a problem right now. She said she is worried about his health, but, "he's a really good person."

Photo: Nicole Lang sobs in front of 420 Emporium while awaiting Batavia PD to issue her an appearance ticket for alleged trespassing.

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I have witnessed over the last couple of days what these bath salts can do to a person. It's not pretty folks. If we can, we should do everything we can to get these outlawed. Speaking with police today....nothing they can really do, as long as they are legal.

Please be sure Mrs. Lang to let us know of any intent to protest.

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The frequency of bath salt related seizures and other serious side effects in UMMC have been increasing steadily over the last year. It is not at all pretty.

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Thank you Howard for actually covering what should be the story, the human implications of bath salts as a drug and not hyperfocus on the bad blood. It's good to know that you won't become the National Inquirer of Genesee County.

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Even though I sympathize with Mrs Lang and I am against the sale of bath salt. She has to remember her son still made the willing choice to purchase and consume bath salt. She needs to turn her focus towards helping her son and not laying blame with 420 Emporium. After all he did purchase to distrubute at his own place of business.

I wish her GREAT SUCESS in organizing a protest of 420 Emporium. This is where I hope the government gets involved to ban the sale of bath salt.

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I was under the impression that these substances are already illegal.

What kind of a SCUMBAG opens a business to sell substances that they KNOW are harmful? All I can say and hope for is -- karma is a bitch when what you've done comes back at you.

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A broad range of so-called synthetic drugs are illegal as of yesterday to sell or possess, but only as a federal crime. That limits what local law enforcement can do.

There is also a state Department of Health directive ordering retailers not to sell certain substances, but is a civil matter and hard to enforce.

Yesterday, the AG's office announced lawsuits against several head shops in NY hitting them over some labeling issues on some of the products they allegedly sell (no businesses in GC were named in the suits).

http://online.wsj.com/article/AP577a05564d524dd58c4221203c3af024.html

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How is he not a low life? Is it calling the police over and over that makes him not a low life? How about pretending to be a state trooper? Or maybe its opening the Laughing Buddah and being the supplier in Batavia till 420 came along?

No those aren't reasons to consider him a low life....

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I think something should be done or discussed asap whether it's City school board, batavia city council, GCASA. There has to be an organization in batavia that could be proactive to make awareness and hopefully stop this from continuing on.

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YES THEY SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN !!!!
BURN THEM OUT!!
LETS TAKE OUR CITY BACK FROM LOW LIFE, DRUG PUSHING, SCUM BAGS
I personally know some good people who fell victims to this BRAIN KILLING DRUG and it's a shame . question? WHY CAN NYS POLICE AND WHAT EVER COPS go onto INDIAN Territory and seize all those shops, but they can't stop these scum bags selling this inside the CITY OF BATAVIA ?
PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND ???

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So, sad. Batavia used to be a small City full of hair salons, gas stations and pizza shops. Now it is overrun with Pawn/sell you gold here shops, piercing/tattoo shops and head shops. what happened?

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Federal agents raided the Indian rez, not the NYS police. I don't believe drugs victimize anyone. People victimize their selves and then cry that the government didn't "protect" them.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility? If the fire burns your skin off when you stick your hand in the fire, why should someone else be blamed for you doing that to yourself?

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Personal responsibilty now equals entitlement! Anyone that continues to believe the goverment will save them or is the answer to all things "evil" instead of realizing that they are the one's in charge of their destiny will continue to make decisions that will only harm them further! The first time is a mistake after that it's a choice!

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I think all negative votes should be qualified with a comment of why you voted that way. Care to share?

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FEDS, NYS WHO CARES ISN'T BATAVIA NY IN THE FEDERAL GOVERMENT?
I UNDERSTAND DOUGS COMMENT ,PRETTY MUCH LET THEM KILL THEIR SELFS OFF AND POSSIBLY HARM INNOCENT PEOPLE>IN THEIR PATH OF DETRUCTION

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Have to say Doug, this time you have me baffled, what negative votes are you talking about?

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When I wrote out my post I noticed a -1 on Doug's #12 post but I now see it's gone!

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I agree that personal responsibility for one's actions is needed. I don't believe the government or anyone else should have to slap your hands away, or intervene when you are making a bad choice. But the problem lies in the fact that those who make bad choices such as these generally DONT only hurt themselves. There are almost always innocent victims, whether it be family or not. Making the choice to drink and drive, consume drugs, or any other mind-altering activity takes its toll in the form of bad accidents, personal and physical attacks and other sometimes frightening activity. In those cases, we look to law enforcement to protect us from that behavior. It is very unfortunate for all involved, innocent or not. Proactive would be , yes, shutting down any business that feeds that behavior. It's not about someone being a "scum" or "dirtbag",that doesn't help anyone. it's about protecting our community from something that can be so random and quickly get out of control. Taking personal responsibility for one's actions works great, when it is practiced. In the meantime, it is frustrating and scary for law enforcement , and those who don't know what will happen and when.

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Mark, someone must've given me an "up" vote and it got rid of the "down" vote

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LOL, you worry too much my friend, personally I could care less about up and down votes, I have seen many thumbs down that baffled me as well as many thumbs up that totally baffled me.

All that is shows me is diverse thinking, that is always a good thing, if everyone thought the same we would be charactors in a 1984 knock off

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Dave, have ya seen all the alcohol some scumbags are selling all over the city, this is a very dangerous substance as well, and most everyone knows this, whats the difference?

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Something needs to be done about this problem as it is already out of hand and heading toward epedemic levels. The people of our community need to take notice of these problems and not look the other way. Because God forbid that the next victim is one or your loved ones.

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I am logged in but cannot vote on comments for some reason. It's too bad his parents weren't so concerned when this now poor victim was selling this crap to other people. Most people that sell junk don't get high off their own supply !

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I don't worry at all. Don't you mean that you "couldn't" care less? :-)

I wasn't so much worried about the negative vote as I was curious about what made someone vote negatively. A positive vote is self explanatory and it's indicative of agreeing. A negative vote is not self explanatory. I want to know what people are thinking when they take the time to click a down arrow. Make sense?

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Was the Batavian alerted to this protest by Ms.Lang..seeing as how they just happened to be there to get a picture of her outside.Was all this staged.....I agree with Doug and Peter..Personal responsibly has to enter into to this ....Do people march down to the local liquor store and ask them not to sell alcohol because someone they know is addicted to it...Frank makes a great point.......Doug i gave you a thumbs up.......

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In fairness Gabor, we don't really know how concerned his parents were when he was selling this crap. They may have begged and pleaded with him to stop for all we know.

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Works either way LOL, the result the same

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Mark P., like all news outlets, we sometimes get news tips from all kinds of sources. Believe me, there was no staging. We don't have the desire, time or need to do that. The truth is more interesting.

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Mark, I was alerted by a third party in the midst of events. At first, Nicole Lang wasn't really happy to see me there.

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If my kid was selling "Junk" and probably using it too I wouldn't care if it was legal or not I would be out front every damned day with a sign in legal protest ! I DO NOT blame the parents at ALL. Situations like this one remind me that the right thing to do is sometimes the hardest. This stuff is poison. At least we know what real pot and other drugs do. This crap they sell is worse than Meth. It's not just kids doing it either. They have a federal law against it but not a state ? That works really well in California with Medical Marijuana lately ? Get that poison off the street !

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Steve, I think just about everyone with few exceptions would agree education (Awareness) is not only proactive but in the long term the best approach.

But in the short term, it is far from enough.

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I totally agree Mark with you and do believe more than awareness should be dealt with the situation at hand. Action needs to be taken here but not sure to what level can be done with this situation being its still legal ? Or is it illegal I'm not clear on this.

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Gabor, a couple decades ago "junk" meant heroin or drugs-in-general. I believe it now translates, male genitalia. ...Avoid any misunderstanding of terms.

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The problem with making it illegal is that they can't find a way to outlaw "bathsalts" in general. What the government is doing is outlawing components IN the bathsalts, which works for a very short time. As soon as that happens, these "chemists" find another way to create the stuff, using different chemicals, and start all over again. That is how they are staying one step ahead, unfortunately. It is very tragic.

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Would love to see the reasons 4 people would vote down my post,probably having a nice cold drink as they voted.

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I'd love to see the like/dislike feature be more like facebook where it tells you who liked/disliked. Some of them I don't understand. Like #19 above (at the time of this post there is a "dislike")- why? it's not argumentative, isn't an opinion. Is someone mad at Doug's previous comments so now they're gonna show him what's up with a bad ass thumbs down?

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This mother is unreal!! Place the blame everywhere else but where it should be. These shops should be closed - hers was one of the biggest problems - and her bf/husband played all kinds of games: selling it, not selling it, authorities picking on me, I'm taking the ethical view, impersonating a law enforcement officer. Woman, start at home!

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It's too bad, but what's going to have to happen is that when ENOUGH people start DYING from this stuff, THEN the kids will wake up. When their FRIENDS drop dead in front of them, or jump off a roof - or lose their minds and don't even know where they ARE anymore - THEN they'll start to figure out how DANGEROUS this stuff is. Like WE did - my generation - back in the 60's with acid. I never dropped it myself - but I MIGHT have, had not one of my best friends in college, during summer break, gone on a bad "trip" - and never came back from it. They had to LOCK her UP - and she NEVER was the same again. Sure got MY attention. It's a total waste, losing kids to this stuff, but until something BAD gets their attention, they're going to experiment with it. These "bath salts" are just the latest thing. Kids have been getting high off of stuff we ALL have in our HOUSES - - HARMLESS stuff - - until is MISUSED.

Think about the "highs" that have been in the news the last few decades - - Any aerosol – paint, hairspray whipped cream - glue, paint, nail polish, nail polish remover, rubber cement, cleaning products, any medicine they take too much of, cough syrup, sharpies, crayola markers, melting plastic fumes, white-out, gasoline, germ-x, poppyseeds, sleeping pills, nutmeg, deodorant, shoe polish, highlighters, car exhaust, mouthwash, cinnamon, vanilla extract - the list goes on and on. They try it, it kills a few people, and then they move on to the NEXT thing. The current worst things are meth and these "bath salts". It's too bad, and it's very sad, especially for the people RELATED to the users that get hurt - but the problem will solve itself in the long run. The people using this stuff will either go to jail, or die. Then there won't be any more customers for it. Problem solved.

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The Batavian is making him look like a low life? Um, How about his actions make him look like a low life. The fact that he uses this garbage, used to sell this garbage and gave it to a minor is enough for me to consider him a low life. And lets not forget about his phone calls to the police and add on his connections with this "criminal enterprise".
And of course I will believe the character testimony of the sister, who I believe has made the blotter a few times herself. Of course, As a parent I sympathize for these parents. I have met them. I know them to be stand up wonderful people. But I am sorry to say... Your kids suck. They are accountable for the choices they make. Cut the cord and them fight for themselves now. They chose the lifestyle they have decided live. It makes me sad that people that choose this lifestyle can destroy so many other's lives. I will fight the fight along with them to rid this place of bath salts and the stores that sell them... But I will not stand along side anyone that wants to blame everyone else for their drug and alcohol problems. We are responsible for our own decisions. Not the government. Not store owners.

When I was a kid eating ice cream floats in JJ Newberry's and buying buying $1 toys at Odd's and Ends, I would have never thought Batavia would turn into a scum hole filled with low income housing, drug dealers, drug addicts, head shops and a watering hole every 20 feet. It makes me furious that I have to even share the air with people like this. If I didn't work in Batavia I don't think I would even drive through it.

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Was the mother this concerned when he was selling ecstacy you think he would learn by now he isn't getting the right help..

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Lisa - please explain your comments. What do you mean when you say: These shops should be closed - hers was one of the biggest problems - and her bf/husband played all kinds of games: selling it, not selling it, authorities picking on me, I'm taking the ethical view, impersonating a law enforcement officer. Woman, start at home!

I don't believe that Mrs. Lang's bf/husband, as you put it, had any interest in Jay's store nor did he live in her home. I think you are confusing Mrs. Lang with Jay's girlfriend.

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Matt, why have likes or dislikes at all, if someone takes issue with or has a counter argument, post it a long with your reasoning, a silly thumbs up thumbs down key says nothing. A brief sentence explaining your counter to a position says volumes.

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Frank I am trying to understand your posts, you don't or have never consumed alcohol or made a purchase of the legal spirits? You do know it is legal without any form of illegality attached to it as long as your doing this in the parameters of the law (21 or older). Are you referring to people that sell alcohol as scumbags because you categorized them in with people who sell bath salts? The one's you call scumbags are doing so within all legal rights to do so, on the other hand the federal law clearly states that the bath crap is illegal to sell or posses.
I believe you would have the same community reaction to clerks at stores selling legal beverages as you do the people selling bathsalts if the public consuming them were to start going around naked and eating the face off of people while they were drinking.
So Frank could you make yourself a little clearer as to why your statement sounds like your slamming the people that are selling a legal beverage and they are not selling a product they know are harmful because used as intended to be used alcohol is not harmful so before you put it up there with bathsalts that clearly the people selling it know it is harmful and not being poured into a bathtub you should know the law on alcohol. And no I was not one of your negative votes but this probably explains why you recieved them though I believe you already knew why. Oh by the way I'm not having "a cold one".

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Scott, if selling a legal product makes one group scumbags, how does the other group escape the label.
Alcohol abuse cost us millions, upon millions of dollars, tears apart lives, families, and probably kills more than these bath salts will ever get close to killing.
So to make it simple Scott, alcohol is just as dangerous, if not more so, than these bath salts, yet I hear no one calling the alcohol distribution industry "scumbags"
I have consumed more alcohol than I ever want to talk about, I have seen the destruction it causes when misused, I grew up around alcoholics, so I know first hand the havoc it can wreak on families.
I have seen people jump through glass windows while hallucinating from the DT's, or, alcohol withdrawl.
A drug is a drug, is a drug, why does the govt. allow some, but not others, when the results of abuse are on the same scale?

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Frank - because millions of people use alcohol responsibly. I'm not sure that there is any such thing as responsible bath salt use. Unless you're using them in your bath.

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I think I'm gonna go buy some bath salts myself and do a comparison of them to say.....epsom salts. I want to see if this product actually works as its supposed to for its intended purpose. If it doesnt then I will feel better about encouraging the removal of sales of this from our community. I agree with some on the fact that people stupid enough to use it contrary to it's purpose deserve what they get. But if this is just a clever vehicle to get illicit substances into the hands of abusers well that different. The little blurb bout Mr. Lang being chased by gang members bothers me, not in of itself but because of the revelation that the product he sold was allegedly laced with meth, and they want it back. If this is true and if 420 is selling a product similar to this (meaning it has been compromised by the addition of meth) then this adds a whole new level of concern for the community.

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Another problem is going to arise soon after the sale of salts becomes illegal, users will be going through withdrawl, and there is not much info available on how to treat those symptoms.
Users will probably be forced to use meth, crack, or prescription meds like adderal, or vivan to control withdrawl. That's okay though, these drugs are already illegal, so I'm sure no one is going to break the law by selling illegal drugs. The dealers are probably drooling all over themselves thinking about the increased sales.
Dealers don't ask for ID either, they sell to whoever has the money.
I find it somewhat insane that alcohol is so readily available despite the damage it can do when abused, it can kill, it has innocent victims, it tears families apart, it cost thousands of dollars for rehab, what the hell is the difference?
Alcohol is an accepted drug, it has as many harmful side effects as anything being sold in the head shops.
Just as some like to relax with a cold beer, or a stiff drink, there are some who use bath salts in much the same way, again, what is the difference? Why is it the govt.'s job to pick our drug of choice?
I'm curious as to how many of those so oppossed to the salts are alcohol users.
Alcohol is the stepping stone drug, it was for me, and it was for many I associated with in my youth, once intoxicated, there were no holds barred from what other drugs we would use.

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Beth, there are also millions who abuse alcohol, thats not a valid argument.

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Kyle- I think you're confused on what bath salts are. They're not actually "bath salts". That's just what they're called. Their sole intention is to get high. Calling them bath salts was just a clever way to avoid the law.

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LOL Matt.... Sarcasm doesnt always come across in written communication. However I was very tired and half serious towards the end of the post so I do understand what they are, but if they dont do what they are supposed to do it is just one more facet of their subterfuge shattered. Btw if anyone cares to note I had the opportunity to make an observation last night. At 11:15 when I was walking home I happened to pass 420 and they were still open and doing business. Can anyone think of any other business besides pizza or bars. I could be wrong but even coffee culture isnt open that late is it? (I'm not sure as I am not out late in Batavia often)

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@ Frank I could have wrote this yesterday because I knew your response. These are your personal views and not something that happens to all people when this alcohol is used as it is intended to be used I can't believe anyone said drink until your intoxicated and dependent on it, no it does not and the clear majority are responsible enough to know that. It goes to self discipline control yourself it won't happen.
These people abusing bathsalts know their is nothing good about them they will mess your mind up the very first time and the shop owners know this as well. I can't believe a father of some under aged kid who has been harmed by these "salts" hasn't gone in their and rattled this guy's head around. (Sorry getting off subject kinda.)
And you might be right as to what happens when they withdraw will they seek another drug maybe but if bought illegally they can be arrested.
See Frank the alcohol isn't going to cause a crash unless used outside the way it is intended to use don't make my government be responsible for all of your actions you have to control yourself not the government. see the majority of the public can and will drink responsibly.
Bathsalt's are illegal there is no safe way to use them.

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