Jeff, hacked and pranked in this instance are the same thing.
Facebook/Twitter account hacking doesn't involve a computer code nerd in his basement writing malicious scripts and attacking your IP address. I'm not going to post a how-to on The Batavian, but seriously it's the opposite of rocket science.
If Weiner got hacked, it's because he, or whoever set up his account, wasn't savvy enough about the internet and the availability of personal information.
Remember when Sarah Palin's email got hacked in 2008? It wasn't done by a guy using technology to attack technology, it was done by a guy with some motivation, a little personal knowledge about Palin and enough time on his hands to crack her recovery info.
Whatever Weiner is calling it now, why is he not demanding that the perp be caught and prosecuted? Palin's email hacker was caught, tried, and convicted. Hacking the accounts of a sitting federal representative, however easy, is a crime that could have serious consequences, yet he is treating it as a high school prank. The media has fallen right into lockstep, painting poor Anthony as a victim, yet when Palin was hacked it was proof of her ineptness, carelessness, etc.
I may be wrong, but it doesn't pass the smell test for me.
Jeff - Maybe because, unlike Palin, he does not want to waste the police's time when they could be catching criminals that are actually a danger to our society. From the sounds of it, he got hacked, got more savvy, changed his password and moved on.
Unlike Lee, there is no conclusive evidence, like, say, the picture with Lee in it that it was actually Weiner in the photograph. The double standard are people who try to turn this into a 'gate' without any sort of smoking gun and say that this equates to proof like the Lee situation did.
Palin: Ex-vp candidate, media star, public figure, potential 2012 presidential candidate.
Weiner: Who the F is that?
Hence, the difference in coverage and scrutiny.
For added bonus, Palin tries to project a public persona of Miss Righteous and Miss Better (combined with the scorn she heaps on the "lame stream media"), which makes her a legitimate target for derisive laughter. Weiner, again, who the hell is he and why should we care?
Bea, here is what you wrote on Feb. 9 2011 when the Chris Lee story broke:
"It would have been nice if he did resign immediately, but he and his staff sent up a trial balloon trying to explain away the breaking news. It was a weak and ineffective attempt to pull the wool over his constituents' eyes. The let's blame a 'hacker' and see how it flies.
"Lee's office has as yet not come up with a coherent defense, admitting that the GMail account used does in fact belong to Lee,"
And on Feb. 10 2011;
"A philanderer by any other name is still a philanderer.
Regardless of affiliation, if you are in the public eye, then your actions are scrutinized. You are held to a higher standard."
If Weiner indeed ends up on the wrong side of this, will he get the same treatment? I was tough on Lee from the outset as I am on any politician who treats their marriage vows with disdain and if Weiner is guilty, he's gotta go.
Jeff, yes, of course I would...and I like Weiner.
Posting my previous posts doesn't answer the question. Do you feel that Weiner is guilty?
It is a straight up and down answer, either yes or no.
There is no "if" in your book, from what I'm reading. It is almost as if you are praying that he is guilty and you already have him gone.
What if he isn't? Where does that put your predisposed condemnation of him?
If Lee had stayed in office and was able to prove the accusations false, I'd be the first person to say I was wrong. Sadly, he couldn't.
I am a Christian as well, and the Bible clearly teaches that sin has consequences. If a politician sins and asks God for forgiveness, they will receive it. That does not neccessarily mean they get to keep the job that the public entrusted them to do. Redemption is between the sinner and God, if an elected official breaks a solemn vow to their spouse, it is a betrayal of the public trust and I am under no obligation to cut him/her any slack.
Bea, please go back and read my posts and find where I have condemned him already. The simple answer to your question is I don't know, and you don't know, and Chris doesn't know, and Daniel doesn't know. Weiner knows, but he is being completely evasive and by your Chris Lee standard is not a coherent defense. The nature of the Chris Lee story and the Anthony Weiner story are almost identical, but the media response and people's responses on here could not be more different.
I am with Jeff on this one..I just saw him on CNN and he looked like he wanted to avoid answering the questions ..They asked him for a yes or no if he sent it,and also if he was following the girl he sent it to on twitter..Double standards are common..Chris Lee was wrong glad to see him go..If Wiener did the same type of thing he should go..If not than they should go after who did it..I would if i was wronged like that..
"Politics, religion and sex....oh my!!"
And to think, this was supposed to be a discussion about job growth.
Some sort of microcosm-type of lesson in this about the state of the country, perhaps? A commentary on the sad state of affairs we find ourselves in?
Anthony Weiner has hired a lawyer and is reportedly investigating the possibility of pressing charges, they have to catch the person first though. If Weiner is lying then I'll be the first person to scream about it. He's one of the heroes of the progressive movement and I'll be very upset if he did something wrong and won't admit it.
Also, I don't care what anyone does with their genitals, as long as they're not forcing them on another person. That goes for Chris Lee as well. Honestly, I wish Lee had had the guts to stand up and say: 'Hey, folks, I'm into some stuff that you probably think is a little different, but that's between me and my wife. My sex life is none of your business.'
That didn't happen though. The morality police's shame machine destroyed Chris Lee's career and that's too bad for him. If he'd had a bit of courage, he could have been a hero.
You know what they could do to stimulate job growth? Stop playing "gotcha"!! Think about this, all the people who are business owners or aspiring business owners, you have hired an individual to manage your business. However, you notice that they are spending a good deal of time to include time on the clock trying to "catch" the other managers doing something wrong. All in an effort to get those other managers fired so they can try to help their friends to get hired on. Me personally I would rather have someone who is dedicated to doing the job I hired them for.
LOL Religion and Politics aren't intertwined Liz? Where hsve you been. From the very beginnings and our birth as a nation religion has been involved with politics, almost as much as sex has. Like it or not the reality is that all three have been intertwined like strands on a braid of rope.
Modern life and concerns however have shown that its time to replace the rope with the additions of a few more strands of stonger material to keep it strong.
As for the discussion between Dan and Jeff....imho they are both correct. However Jeff God has said in several places in the bible that judgement is His alone. As we ALL are sinners and thats the way of things. We sin and those who look to Jesus and earnestly ask for forgiveness, are given grace, there are no "except for those who do ________" in any of Christ's teachings.
Love the sinner, hate the sin.
Just watched the rerun of Weiner's interview with CNN reporters. He not only refused to answer why he has not asked for a criminal investigation of this alleged hacking, but called a reporter a "jackass" for asking questions. He refused to say he did not send the photo. This will be interesting.
Chris, if Chris Lee wanted a private sex life that was "just between him and his wife," that is his business. But he took actions that a prudent person would reasonably conclude could lead to an embarrassing public revelation. That's just poor judgment. And that's the real issue. There was really nothing for him to stand up and defend.
It's the kind of poor judgment/character flaw that should have been uncovered in 2008 as part of a thorough vetting process by experienced political operatives like Nick Langworthy and Chris Collins.
Chris, one does not hire a lawyer to catch criminals, one hires a lawyer to protect their interests. You are correct that they have to catch the person first, but until he engages the authorities, they will never catch him/her. He has been elusive to the point of contention on the whole issue.
Kyle, you said "God has said in several places in the bible that judgement is His alone. As we ALL are sinners and thats the way of things. We sin and those who look to Jesus and earnestly ask for forgiveness, are given grace, there are no "except for those who do ________" in any of Christ's teachings." These are all common misconceptions based on scripture taken out of context. Without taking the time and space on this forum, I'd be happy to provide scripture and verse on each of the themes.
Jeff, one hires a lawyer if one intends to sue. Speaking from experience, the first thing a lawyer tells you is to stop discussing the particulars. Weiner was fairly open about this over the weekend and even joked about it.
One of the main differences between the Weiner thing and the Lee thing is that about two hours after Lee said he was hacked, he retracted that statement and resigned.
Once again, if it turns out that Weiner is lying, I'm going to be pissed. I gave Chris Lee the benefit of the doubt for the two hours before he admitted to the lie and I'm going to do the same thing for Anthony Weiner.
That picture looked a lot like me. I think someone hacked my camera. Those are Hanes briefs right? You can't see the skid mark but it's there. When it itches you have to scratch, that's God's law and you know it Jeff.
Straight from the liberal media:
Can't say with certitude that the picture is not him? So he must have some similar pictures out there, just doesn't know if this particular one is him?
More interesting is the reporting that of less than 200 or so people he follows on Twitter, most of them are college women involved in politics. Is that code for "intern"?
Imagine if Twitter existing during the Clinton presidency?
If he he got hacked, it was only to bring light to the bigger picture. I don't think its all as innocent as he may portray it to be.
It's not him, and he knows it, but it makes his little Oscar Mayer look like a Cubano Supreme so he's thinking: "go with the flow." Eventually everyone will abandon facebook and Twitter for read a book and stop being bitter.
Old school can be good school and often is.
Wiener just admitted it was him sending those pics..who will eat there words now..Is he any different that Chris Lee..Are the Democrats going to ask for him to quit..Double standards .....He is a perv.......
I didn't think that Chris Lee should have resigned and I don't think Anthony Weiner should. Posting pictures on Craigslist and sexting with other consenting adults on social media networks is not illegal. Let them face the music at re-election time, not in the middle of their terms.
Brandon, your right, it's not illegal. But we have a right to expect more from elected officials, don't we? If he had said he was into sexting before he was elected, then fine. Same with Lee and Craigslist. But we both know neither would have been elected if we knew they were doing this stuff. And Wiener lied. At least Lee didn't do that.
What we continue to find, Brandon at least in my opinion; is that increasingly too many politicians turn out to be narcissistic jack-asses who are devoid of typical human emotions such as shame, embarrassment, modesty and respect for others. Then when caught, cry like babies. We've placed them on a pedestal, and pay the bill for them to surround themselves with sycophants and toadys, and this is what we get. Wasn't meant to be like this. We get the government we deserve.
"Well we should be hearing from Bea and Chris soon now. Since both said they would treat Weiner no differently than they treated Lee, if it came out that Weiner was the one who sent the picture."
Hmmm, that means they'll come up with cutesy names to call him, right?