September 17, 2010 - 9:30am
Today's Poll: Today's Poll: Can Paladino beat Cuomo?
posted by Howard B. Owens in polls.
September 17, 2010 - 10:43am#1
Who knows at this point? It would seem that Cuomo has the edge, as he has been the front-runner since at least early this year according to all the polls and pundits when placed against anyone else. But not many picked Carl Paladino to even make a race of it in the primary much less blow Lazio away. We'll see, I'll have a good idea Nov. 3
September 17, 2010 - 10:52am#2
A snowball in Hades has more of a chance than Paladino does. My curiosity...is Cuomo really an agent of change, or just another blowhard saying whatever it takes to be elected?
September 17, 2010 - 11:06am#3
Has anyone received any of Paladino's garbage scented flyers yet? He was on CNN last night demonstrating it. I hope I'm not on his mailing list.
September 17, 2010 - 11:06am#4
You are a smart guy, Bud. You know that answer
September 17, 2010 - 11:29am#5
The result of this poll is a strong indication that about half of Genesee County is delusional
September 17, 2010 - 1:29pm#6
Well,anyone remember Mario Cuomo? I don't think the apple fell far from the tree. No matter who gets in,I think it will be the same old,same old.At least someone from WNY will be either Governor or Lt.Governor-we'll see if that helps people out or not.
September 17, 2010 - 1:50pm#7
Bob, What I remember most about Mario was when he sold Attica Prison to the State. That was a neat gimmick that we are still paying for.
September 17, 2010 - 3:36pm#8
No -- Paladino can't beat Cuomo -- no matter how many people vote "yes" from Genesee County. Carl Paladino can't even get the support of most of the candidates running on his own ticket let alone the Conservative Party Chairman, Michael Long, who just made a statement that "Paladino is more of a caricature than a candidate". He added "Paladino is unelectable and he is appealing to people's basic fears with hateful rhetoric." Any value voter better think twice about pulling the lever for Paladino in the General. There is absolutely no place in public discourse for a sexist, racist, misogynistic bigot. We've come too far to go back 100 years. Poor people don't belong in prison camps and stating that people living below the poverty line need to learn basic hygiene is about the most bigoted thing I have ever heard.
September 17, 2010 - 5:03pm#9
Delusional and Democrat both start with D. Sorry Ray, couldn't leave that one alone.
September 17, 2010 - 5:32pm#10
Kinky Carl doesn't have a chance against the machine. He will be lucky to stay out of prison after the election. Chris, make that $40....
September 17, 2010 - 6:16pm#11
I accept all major credit cards ;)
September 18, 2010 - 7:41am#12
Don't take Palladino lightly. The Tea Party and those people have the political momentum.
September 18, 2010 - 10:17am#13
How many of you would vote for Paladino if he ran for Batavia City Council? That's what I thought, let me show you to your office Governor Cuomo.
September 18, 2010 - 12:14pm#14
Per an ABC/CNN Poll, Tea Party-ers are more educated and wealthier than the average American. Nearly 75% are college educated, and two-thirds earn more than $50,000. Rather than representatives of middle-class America, they are white, male and middle-aged or beyond. According to the LA Times, they are graying baby-boomers revisiting their college revolutionary days. T P numbers: 4% of Americans actively participate, 16% pay it lip service. Tea Party continuity breaks down when examined in detail: when queried about leadership alignment, 66% favor Sarah Palin (only 40% describe her presidential aptitude as effective), 59% favor Glenn Beck, 57% favor George W. Bush, 35% view John McCain favorably and 28% lean toward Ron Paul. While some polls have ranked Tea Party support as high as 31%, questionnaires in those polls asked more general questions- "Do you support the Tea Party movement?" Neglecting quantification of that support, it generally translated, "How dissatisfied are you with government?" Only 1% of Blacks identify with the Tea Party. More significant- the AP poll found 60% of Americans DO NOT support the Tea Party Movement, and the CBS/NY Times study found 62% out of favor. A Fox News poll asked, "Which party best shares your values?" The Democratic Party weighed in at 40%, Republican Party, 25% and Tea Party garnered only 19%. The AP poll asked, "From what you have heard or read, would you say you generally agree or disagree with the Tea Party movement's positions on social and political issues?" 24% said they agreed. A March Quinnipiac University poll survey of 2,000 registered voters concluded that 55% of the Tea Party Movement are women. With a margin of error over 6%, that poll runs in opposition to others. The conclusion does parallel political reality- women are better able to carve time for activity in political organizations. The question remains, what role do women assume in the Tea Party? Sarah Palin has become the movements' poster child, however 40% do not consider her presidential material. The average T P female is anti-choice, anti-gay marriage, ostensibly, conservative/Christian/anti-feminist and worried about Medicare benefits. The typical 60s radical was male and anti-feminist- explaining the detachment of the women's rights organization from the anti-war movement. It would appear gender role dichotomy is expressed in T P politics: male candidates supported by female campaign workers. Palin's credentials have been known to be examined after cigars and canned-beer are exhausted. Tying this back to Carl Paladino- his porno-pandering, strip club pawing and racist world view; I guess he fits the hapless male stereotype. ...Just what we need to top the cake of dysfunctional Albany. I'd rather see Carl on South Park.
September 18, 2010 - 11:50am#15
"55% of the Tea Party Movement are women" Any stats on what percentage are blonde?
September 18, 2010 - 12:21pm#16
CM why all the name calling..why not just talk about what his ideas are, and how they won't work in this State..Do you also describe Patterson in that way..He has many skeletons in his closet..What about our last governor Eliot Spitzer.What names do you have for him..
September 18, 2010 - 12:40pm#17
George, A blonde joke? Didn't you read Lorie's post? "There is absolutely no place in public discourse for a sexist, racist, misogynistic bigot." You must belong to that vast hapless male stereotype that CM speaks of. Luckily, I'm neither blonde nor sensitve to sexist humor, nor most humor for that matter. Good point Mark...Why aren't we discussing issues and ideas.
September 18, 2010 - 1:47pm#18
Because Kinky Carl doesn't have ideas, he has platitudes. Cuomo has ideas and goals. He's written them out for all of New York to see in detail.
September 18, 2010 - 1:51pm#19
Chris, I thought you were in charge of making sure the sh*t didn't get piled up too high on here. Come on!
September 18, 2010 - 2:10pm#20
JoAnne, Cuomo DOES have ideas and he HAS written them out for you to see in detail. Paladino blathers on about cutting spending, but he has no real plan to do it.
September 18, 2010 - 2:33pm#21
Joanne.Seems to me all they every do is call names..I hear it all the time from the democrats about the Tea Party..The Tea Party has many good ideas,what are they all afraid of...CM's name calling shows me how he isn't above all thrash talking and chooses to lower himself to that level.That alone would make me not want to vote for him....Same with Chris,he tell us that Carl Paladino talks about cutting spending and that is blathering,But Cuomo has ideas...and thats not blathering...Cuomo is the problem with New York..Things will still run the same in Albany if he get elected..We all know it..
September 18, 2010 - 3:24pm#22
Joanne said: "A blonde joke?" Oh, did I say blonde? My bad, I meant brunette as in the BPOO-Bachmann,Palin,Ovary O'Donnell drive. "Year of the nutcake woman, 2010." Combined, they're still not as bad as Mitch McConnell, Zombie Senator from Kentucky.
September 18, 2010 - 4:16pm#23
Keep that up George, and the joke police are going to label you a mysoginist...you may never be taken seriously again. I don't think you're a mysoginist...I think you're a softie that loves all women regardless of haircolor.
September 18, 2010 - 5:53pm#24
Mark, I agree with you on the name calling issue. I could tolerate the name calling if it eventually lead to spirited debate and open dialogue on the issues...but it never does. It just seems to be a bullying tactic used to instill a fear of ridicule for anyone that has an opposing viewpoint. Unfortunately, their tactic works...there are fewer and fewer opposing viewpoints on this site...and I come here less and less because of it. Paladino won in Genesee County by a wide margin; yet no one has openly supported him or his ideas on this thread. Why? Because the ridicule and name calling that would follow is not worth it. The truth is...if you support the Tea Party, Paladino, or the AZ Immigration Law...if you are against the Health care bill or the Ground Zero Mosque...or, God forbid, you watch Fox News (or worse...Glenn Beck)...don't bother posting here unless you enjoy being called a racist wingnut.
September 18, 2010 - 6:12pm#25
Or maybe there is no one willing to defend a guy who enjoys pictures of woman having sexual relations with farm animals. Worse yet, he sends those pictures to everyone in his address book without even the smallest thought that someone would be offended. That tells most people that the man is as dumb as a rock.
September 18, 2010 - 6:50pm#26
JoAnne, Mark, Cuomo wrote a damn book about his policy plans and how he intends to implement them. Do yourselves a favor, head to his website and have a look. You don't even have to read them, I just want you to see that they exist so you don't sound so ill-informed about the difference in policy effort between Paladino and Cuomo. As far as name calling, nothing has been said that is untrue, life sucks whne you're a degenerate running for office.
September 18, 2010 - 7:04pm#27
"Unfortunately, their tactic works...there are fewer and fewer opposing viewpoints on this site...and I come here less and less because of it." Actually, Joanne I disagree, I find more and more names that I haven't seen before or don't see very often on here with all manner of opinions; mostly when the thread regards local Batavia & Genesee County issues. Other than a few people who spend a lot of time calling each other names, and defending their own name calling, I don't see where you get that. I've noticed that if an INTELLIGENT spirited debate does get going, many of the regular commenters tend to stay out of it. Of course not always, but this us against them mentality you and some others have alluded to, isn't there. If someone makes an outlandish or downright stupid statement and gets called on it, that's not ridicule.
September 18, 2010 - 8:33pm#28
JoAnne, I would never deliberately try to hurt anyone's feelings, male or female. But, I call BS on 99.9% of the manufactured outrage in America today. Phoney B. Loney. Think about life in Haiti, and then try to complain about our situation in the United States. We should all be ashamed.
September 18, 2010 - 9:22pm#29
Mark, I don't consider reporting documented facts, name-calling. If you can substantiate that Paladino's distribution of porn, antics in a lesbian burlesque club and statements as to inferior hygiene of African Americans are untrue; I'll retract them.
September 18, 2010 - 9:28pm#30
I don't for a minute believe that Cuomo intends to do one damn thing he says he's going to do. Like all career politicians, his only intention is to get elected. And once in, insure he and his cronies are well pampered. And Paladino will do the same, only more brazenly. God help us if either Cuomo or Paladino win.
September 18, 2010 - 11:08pm#31
Back that up Howard. What would make you think Andrew Cuomo isn't serious? Which cronies are you talking about? Cuomo has spent the last couple years sweeping the Democratic party in New York clean of it's bad apples and it's no secret that if you're a scumbag elected from any party, Andrew is putting you on notice. Carl Paladino is a long time member of the pay to play political fraternity, he knows the game and there's no evidence that he won't continue to play it whether in office or out.
September 18, 2010 - 11:13pm#32
Chris .. Paladino also has a web site that tells were he stands on the issues..So i'll use your line on you...... I just want you to see that they exist so you don't sound so ill-informed about the difference in policy effort between Paladino and Cuomo.I have read Cuomo's stand on issues..one thing he says is he wants to right size New York State ..claims that there are to many on the payroll,do you think for one minute he going to cuts thousands of state union jobs..I don't..He a Democrat,they don't cut jobs they add jobs to the state payroll..Like Howard says i think both of them will say what ever they have to say to get elected..Do you really think he will change the State pension system,so that union workers will get less when they retire..Not going to happen..A vote for Cuomo is just a vote for the same BS we have been getting from Albany.Nothing will change..I don't want you to sound ill-informed either....
September 18, 2010 - 11:23pm#33
Chris, Fact: Cuomo has spent his life in politics. Fact: He's a Democrat (and that's no swipe at Democrats, I'd say the same thing if he's a Republican). All party politicians know is cronyism. You don't get to his position in party politics without being a crony. It violates the laws of physics to arrive there any other way. And I'm not supporting Paladino. Just speaking the truth.
September 18, 2010 - 11:44pm#34
Pessimism is sure to help, Howard. Keep it up. Mark, Andrew Cuomo has detailed what he's going to do as governor and how he's going to do it. Nearly 250 pages worth of policy ideas and implementation plans have been available for months. Carl Paladino has stated his position on issues but has not offered any details on how he intends to get from point A to point B. Unless you count putting poor people in dormitories as a plan. Paladino has a bad attitude and a megaphone; those things will get you a long way in politics but people will only listen for so long. Eventually you have to prove you can actually do the job effectively.
September 18, 2010 - 11:47pm#35
Howard, I feel like I need to address your comment a little further. You still havent' given any reason for people to doubt Andrew Cuomo's sincerity. He's spent his life in politics, ok. If this was a candidate you were supporting, you'd call that experience. Cuomo has been effective over the course of his career. Give me an example of something he's done to make you doubt his sincerity.
September 18, 2010 - 11:58pm#36
Chris, it's not pessimism. It's reality. The current two-party structure needs to be crushed and replaced. "If this was a candidate you were supporting, you'd call that experience." Except that I would never support a career politician. "Give me an example of something he's done to make you doubt his sincerity. " He ran as a member of a major party.
September 19, 2010 - 12:09am#37
Man, I wish Rick Perry would move to Albany, you would love him as much as we never have. He would be saying you'se guys instead of y'all, in very short order, and we would be saying poor y'all and laughing our asses off in Austin. Count your blessings.
September 19, 2010 - 1:00am#38
Sorry Howard, that's jaded pessimism. Andrew Cuomo has done nothing in his career to draw your suspicion except hold office. Do yourself a favor and open your mind. Read his platform and consider opening your mind to the man's ideas. Having 'politician' as a job description isn't a bad thing by default. There's something to be said for a person who understands how government works and who has the experience and the guts to govern based on what needs to be done right now instead of being a slave to ideology. Andrew Cuomo has adopted a platform that addresses the needs of this state at the moment and he has outlined his plan to implement that platform. If you find fault with his ideas, please let me know. Your unfounded assumptions will carry no weight with people who are paying attention to the realities of this race.
September 19, 2010 - 1:05am#39
Chris, I have been following every candidate and reading all of their plans and ideas. I don't necessarily think it is necessary for a candidate to tell me how he is going to get from point A to point B...I only have to believe that he is capable of doing it. Both Cuomo and Paladino are intelligent men and seem amply qualified to implement a plan of action. I have to agree with Howard on the aspect of Cuomo being a career politician. Paladino has pledged to only serve one term. Whether he will stick with that pledge is not certain. As far as something Cuomo has done to make someone doubt his sincerity? I don't know that sincerity is the right word...but here is an example of his inability to solve a problem without creating a new one: http://www.hvccpetition.com/Video.aspx I also noticed that his Strategic Jobs Initiative has that pesky anti-business clawback provision we discussed before. And one other thing...I won't refer to Cuomo's Expanded Work Sharing Program idea as forced unemployment if you stop referring to Paladino's Dignity Corps idea as "putting poor people in dormitories".
September 19, 2010 - 1:13am#40
Clawbacks aren't anti-business. They simply ensure that businesses are telling the truth when they apply for tax breaks. Paladino called them dormitories, I was being nice when I chose to use his word instead of my own.
September 19, 2010 - 1:28am#41
Chris, since you are deeply enmeshed in party politics, your only response can be is as it was above. I'm not the one who needs to open his mind. An open mind and experience in politics is what taught me not to trust the party machines. I didn't arrive at this conclusion with blinders on. Party politics are inherently corrupt and corrupting.
September 19, 2010 - 1:29am#42
Some clawbacks are anti-business. If they are based on short term benchmarks, I have no problem with them. This particular one requires recipients to sign an agreement with NYS as to how many jobs they will create with the incentive...these jobs must last 10 years or the clawback takes effect. Can any business owner today honestly know what the business climate will be in 10 years? It doesn't seem right that if a new business manages to survive 10 years, but falls short of the required number of employees, their whole business could be put in jeopardy with the clawback.
September 19, 2010 - 1:30am#43
September 19, 2010 - 1:35am#44
Howard, I've been critical of many a Democrat right here on your site. Andrew Cuomo is the real deal and he has the skills, the knowledge and the frame of mind to get New York back on track. Carl Paladino has ideas with no substance. Rick Lazio at least had experience and ability; too bad he didn't have any money, at least we could have had a real debate about ideas.
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September 19, 2010 - 1:37am#47
Here, I have something nice to say about Carl Paladino: He doesn't like Sarah Palin.
September 19, 2010 - 2:15am#48
Gee Chris...your civil discourse lasted 30 minutes. Is that your personal best? It doesn't surprise me. I brought up specific issues I had with Cuomo and you had no answers. You could not defend your candidate's position, so you revert back to the old standby...attack the opposition and hope nobody notices all the smoke and mirrors.
September 19, 2010 - 2:39am#49
The funny part is...you think I support Paladino. I have not decided who I am going to vote for. I have decided to learn as much as I can about all the candidates before making a decision. I'm beginning to think that YOU did not even read Cuomo's 250 page plan. But certainly, no democrat would ever make an important voting decision without first reading all the information. Oh!...My bad...I forgot about the health care bill. I think that you hate Paladino more than you like Cuomo!
September 19, 2010 - 7:38am#50
JoAnne, I'm just getting warmed up. The pictures explain Paladino's positions on issues correctly...except for the Miss France thing, that explains his position on a pornographic video he emailed to a few hundred people from a government email account.