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June 19, 2014 - 5:59pm

Green Party candidate for governor campaigns in Bergen

posted by Howard B. Owens in politics, bergen, Green Party.

Story by Sloane Martin, WBTA:

Howie Hawkins is running for governor for the second consecutive election on the Green Party tab.

A recent poll showed that a progressive candidate could cut significantly into the incumbent Democrat’s lead, giving that fresh option a chance.

Hawkins says he can be that candidate.

“We stand for progressive policies that benefit working people,” he said. “I think that’s what that poll says people are looking for. Those are the people who understand Cuomo’s been very conservative economically. He’s underfunded schools, he’s giving tax breaks to the rich and they’re looking for an alternative.

“Our problem is not that they don’t agree with us. It’s that they never heard of us.”

In Bergen Thursday afternoon before meeting with party members from the tri-county area, Hawkins outlined a six-point proposal to turn things around for the Empire State called the Green New Deal. It draws parallels to the Roosevelt domestic programs, but updates them for modern times seeking to bring jobs. For example, Hawkins supports giving unemployed people public jobs, similar to the WPA.

Hawkins says Cuomo’s problem is doing nothing about income inequality.

“The idea is: we give money to the rich and it trickles down; we have decades of evidence to show it doesn’t work. If we restored the progressive tax structure we had in the '70s, we’d have $30 billion more,” he said. “That’s about 21 percent more than we take in now and that would fund the Green New Deal.”

The other points as part of the Green New Deal include raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour, ensuring New Yorkers can make a living wage with single-payer health insurance, working to limit segregation in schools, providing affordable housing and mass transit and cultivating renewable energy.

Hawkins also had strong words about hydrofracking. He said the job impact estimates for the controversial natural gas drilling process are greatly exaggerated.

“No one denies the environmental dangers of fracking,” he said. “What’s not being communicated well is the economic benefits of going to 100-percent clean energy by 2030 far outweighs any economic benefits we could get from fracking. The most outlandish estimates I’ve seen from pro-fracking flacks from the industry is 200,000 jobs. We’re talking about 4.5 million jobs over the next 15 years (with clean energy). A lot of those are manufacturing, a lot of those are construction; those are good paying jobs. You want an economic boom? Go with clean energy.”

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Weasel as you will, Kyle. But understand that a phrase such as "people like you" is a poor rhetorical device, unless you're reaching for a flamethrower rather than reason.

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If you are a Republican, Conservative, or Libertarian and post on the Batavian then you proudly wear that American flag pin on your lapel to show you are a true patriot. The posts are pristine. Only the truth is spoken.

There appears to be a common belief, on this site, that Democrat, Liberal, Progressive, and even Green have no love of country, have not paid the ultimate price for freedom, have not served with honor. They are uneducated, unreasonable, lazy, not capable of reading or retaining the written word, ignorant of history and, of course, are without religious fervor. Any post is quickly demonized, especially if written by a female. Granted the left is in the minority on this site. No doubt the majority would love to see us all go away.

I don't believe that Howard's goal was to create a site that only featured his point of view. Batavia is used to a conservative newspaper. Easy to believe that the hyper-local would follow suit. Yet, there was an expectation that the opposition point of view would be received with a modicum of respect. Howard, for the most part, did just that.

I think I speak for most of those in the minority when I attest that people like us can't be run off.

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Bea, I'll grant you that this area is red, but your generalizations, while having certain folks that meet the criteria, are not what I would classify as common. I specifically reject the bias against women, I just don't see the evidence of it here on TheBatavian. I am a frequent contributor on LW blog sites and this is forum is head and shoulders above in it's inclusion and tolerance for opposing viewpoints.

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I'm not debating the quality of this site. You think there are a few who meet that criteria? You are right, there are. They are here every day and that makes it common. The condescending posts are an insult to women who DARE express a point of view. To be fair, i re-read the entire thread to see if one post was really a rant. I re-read the post that stated 'people like you' will sit back and let others fight for you. All of what you called generalizations were mentioned in this thread. I didn't make them up. It is disturbing to realize that there are people, on this site, who believe that every life lost in our wars from the Revolution to the present were people who subscriibed to the right. After all, anyone leaning left didn't have the fortitude to fight. Oh, i didn't make that one up either.

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Bea, the other side has people who think any Republican or Conservative must be a redneck, gun toting, racist.

Point is that both sides, left and right, have over the top people.

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I wholeheartedly agree on your point about love of country. I don't subscribe to one side or the other claiming the mantle of patriotism. I think the vast majority of folks on this site have a great love for and devotion to this nation, we just have different ideas as to how it should be governed. I also agree that some of the posts of late have been VERY condescending. I'll yield to your interpretation because I don't see through your eyes, your filters, and your life experience. As always, great to interact with you.

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John, jeff - thank you.

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Bob Harker : “Mudslinging, out of context quotes, and still no factual basis to back up your claims. As expected and stated above.”

What “mudslinging?” I’m gonna owe you an apology and whack myself in the head over supposedly misunderstanding posts, and you DON’T have a giant ego? You can dish it out, but you can’t take it?

What are my “claims,” anyway? What am I claiming that I haven’t backed up, Bob? You make these grandiose pronouncements that are completely meaningless, proving you either didn’t read my posts, or cannot comprehend them.

Kyle Couchman: “Make excuses any way you desire Julie”

Make sense, Kyle. What “excuses” am I making, and for what?

Why are you deliberately misrepresenting what I said? Disingenuous much?

“Something that people like you would never do”

People like me? What’s that supposed to mean? Now you are accusing me of taking America for granted? Or, what, exactly?

You know what I really, really don’t like, Kyle? Other people speaking for me, boldly stating what I think and how I feel and what I would or wouldn’t do. I don’t like that. I am very capable of speaking for myself and I don’t need you fumbling it up like you have all over this thread. Speak for yourself.

Again, don’t label me. I do not affiliate myself with any political party and you don’t get to try to determine where you’d like to cram me so you can denigrate and dismiss me and my opinions.

Emma Morrill: “Although I don't know Ms. Morales personally (so I don't feel comfortable speaking for her), I read her post as simply calling you to task for your repeated b.s. suggestion that liberals are the only ones who engage in ‘personal attacks.’”

Thanks, Emma, I appreciate your Post 43.

I think the obtuseness is a bit thick in here.

Scott Ogle: “So, Kyle, another's politics disagree with yours, or confound you, and so you doubt their fitness -- their actual loyalty as a citizen -- or even as a partner in debate. I find this comment, and even more this sort of attitude, utterly contemptible.”

Thank you, Scott, I completely agree with you.

Apparently Bob and Kyle thought they’d bully me off this thread, or something silly like that.

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Most of what I posted was a response to your comment in post 27 Julie...

"Good grief….rednecks with guns “gave” us this country?! Could you cite your source or sources, please?"

So I quoted the source and posted it's hyperlink as well. But your response in comment #41 was this...

"Kyle Couchman: “Common knowledge Julie.... I know you wont read a bit of this because you know your right and everyone else is wrong.”
I never said anything like that, Kyle, and you sound like a petulant six year old. I won’t read it because I can tell it will bore me. What exactly am I wrong about? Calling out cj sruger’s disrespectful comment or Bob’s hissy fit?"

So I guess since CJ 's comment referred to rednecks with guns giving us this country, that would be the answer. The thing is you characterize CJ and Bob about being disrespectful. Yet Roberta's comment about trusting rednecks with guns is ok.

My intention was never to bully anyone off of here but as pointed out before instead of dealing with facts these discussions often turn from the subject matter to personal attacks. I could tell from your posts that you wouldn't read anything that counters your own ideas of what are and aren't facts.

In re-reading your post you said... "I never said anything like that, Kyle, and you sound like a petulant six year old. I won’t read it because I can tell it will bore me. What exactly am I wrong about?"

The fact is if you wont read something but continue to want to know what you were wrong about, then I can't really have any kind of intelligent discourse with you over it.

All of the posts I have seen you flip things from the topic to your percieved motivation of the posters comments. Scott's comments as well.... I doubted no one's fitness or loyalty as a citizen. I merely pointed out that EVERYONE takes America for granted in some way shape or form. The true patriots though make up for that in their action and discourse in trying to correct those things they see wrong. I respect others politics and ideas that disagree, I find my satisfaction in learning from their point of view as well as correcting some things they consider facts that sometimes arent. I have apologized when my supposed facts are proven wrong. Learning means having to listen as well as speak and when you stop learning, you stop being involved in anything.

One observation and question I'd like everyone to ponder. Were those Americans who put down and insulted returning vets considered very loyal citizens? Were those people of rich families and members of our Govt who sent their kids, brothers and such to Canada to avoid the draft. Were they loyal citizens? Seems to me they made up both red and blues as far as politics go. They were men and women. As for the other parties they haven't really been around long enough to make any judgements on, they all make good points but also have bad as well. I'd like to see independants, not the party but those with true non-affiliation get into office and see what change they can effect. But all the parties and the party system in general makes that impossible.

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